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Reality hurts and we should feel the pain

Discussion in 'Old Threads' started by snic, Jul 12, 2011.

  1. snic

    snic Respected Member

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    People are afraid of themselves, of their own reality; their feelings most of all. People talk about how great love is, but that's bullshit. Love hurts. Feelings are disturbing. People are taught that pain is evil and dangerous. How can they deal with love if they're afraid to feel? Pain is meant to wake us up. People try to hide their pain. But they're wrong. Pain is something to carry, like a radio. You feel your strength in the experience of pain. It's all in how you carry it. That's what matters. Pain is a feeling. Your feelings are a part of you. Your own reality. If you feel ashamed of them, and hide them, you're letting society destroy your reality. You should stand up for your right to feel your pain.

    so why do drugs? :?
     
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    because u're (not u >.>)a weak person and u try to escape from the reality...and create ur own world , fake one.
     
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  3. Aegis

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    There are many theories...


    Such as the theory that the straitum in the brain that mediates "habitual learning" constantly strings the habit of using drugs over and over again and the drugs release excess dopamine which strengthen the neural connections and almost overwhelm the cognitive aspect of control in the brain.

    Another is the psychological theory of conditioning.... which has proven effective and is in use today as a treatment towards drug-abuse... essentially this theory believes that drugs are the main antedecent (operant theory) and then they cause the behaviour to occur (taking the drugs) for the consequence (pleasure)...

    Following the basic principle of classical conditioning, the environment (partying, bar, "friends", etc) can trigger (almost like Pavlov's 'bell' for his most basic dog-salivation experiments) the craving to occur.

    Essentially its not necessarily "so why do drugs", as much as it is how to get people off of them and keep them off... relapse rates are through the roof sadly... and following in the footsteps of classical conditioning, there is something called "spontaneous recovery" which makes the entire "extinction" of the response moot.

    =(
     
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  4. snic

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    dunno daax, that quote belongs to morrison who died from overdone drugs and alcohol, he used every single chance to escape from pain but he still wrote this one, so now i kinda have doubts lol
     
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    i don't do drugs... i drink alcohol occasional which is not even close to doing drugs at all...

    some people do that to escape reality which is wrong. the fact is, it's still there, running away from it doesn't solve it either.

    embrace it.

    learn from it.

    conquer it.

    and be successful.

    else you will die.
     
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  6. daax

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    he was aware that what he was doing wasnt good , im sure of that , but as i said some try to escape the reality , the pain , etc and turn to drugs ...
     
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  7. Aegis

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    Another theory is more psychiatric with neurological basis attatched to it.


    Essentially it involves four main primary steps:

    #1: Intake of drugs, these drugs can then release dopamine around the anterior cingulate cortex / amygdala (if I am remembering right...) a

    #2: and then the ACC/Amygdala sends messages to the cortex which essentially demands that the intake of these drugs becomes TOP priority...

    The excessive amounts of dopamien released in the brain generally (omit just the straitum I mentioned before) overwhelm the "pleasurecentres" of the brain and then this high elvel of dopamine essentially causes the neural connections to "prune" receptors and increase reuptake and etc, decreasing the effect of dopamine.

    (Mediated by the orbito frontal cortex if I remember right, drugs isn't my thing parsay :s)
    That is why ones first high will always be their best, and nothing will compare.

    Something similar to ahedonia(loss of pleasure from many things), the reward factor the brain recieves from sex, food, etc... it just means nothing. So essentially the brain requires this dopamine to become happy.

    #3: The brain suffers mild "damage" parsay to the prefrontal cortex which is essentially a judgement centre for the entire brain. Mediating "oh I'll stop, no worries. I can do this!".

    And this is thought to be involved in the potential for a person to stay off of a drug successfully.

    #4: Umm... I think I got it lost somewhere. But the general message has been stated.
     
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    Disagreed. Disagreed.... disagreed.... disagreed.

    ._______.;

    Drinking alcohol is merely a foolish fallacy the current zeitgeist of society has instilled into our thoughts... and alcohol abuse is even considered a psychiatric disorder with a incidence rate of 13.2%.

    That is ignoring alcohol addiction which is VERY possible.

    And that is ignoring the cirrosis of the liver, kidneys, GI tract, blocking of uptake of thiamene which can lead to korkasoffs syndrome, neural damage, etc.

    Drinking is the consumption of a drug, a drug categorized under so many categories its hilarious x_x (eg: psychoactive drug) anyone saying otherwise is an uneducated indocrinated fool. ._.;
     
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    sounds like a rap! XD
     
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    your Psychology Aegis, is Irrelevant.

    I used to do drugs Because they feel good. because you can have better sex on ecstasy and you can c*m all night and non stop all-day is just... f*cking awesome :). Not because I wanted to escape problems.
     
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    That isn't psychology x_x a lot of it is neurology.

    And yes, sex + drugs at the same time would be an additional neurotransmitter release... likely to prune even more receptors and cause potential cross-tolerance to other thigns as well x_x;
     
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    why i don't see a connection to drugs in the first paragraph o_o
    I cant relate them together at all

    celebrities does drugs to have fun, not mostly to expect an escape from their pains. if they can support themselves to live a such lifestyle they shall success in living a drug-free life but still manage to keep it together and healthier.
     
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    its just a construction of the sentence, i agree what alcohol does. it has somewhat similar effect to what narcotics does.

    what i don't get is why people would like to use drugs to escape the truth.

    @omegaweapon - the boner guy, hiya.
     
  14. snic

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    why people usually try drugs? it erases every kind of pain and lets you be free, thats the connection. and i am not talking about blondy dumb heads who do drugs once in a year just to have fun
     
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    I agree with what daax said - people do drugs b/c they are weak and cant face reality. Drugs are an escape to them.
     
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    you're saying it as if they're ever satisfied. I've been there so I know how it's like. but people like morrison usually does drugs for fun :)
     
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    have you done drugs? no pot bullshit, im talking about Crack, cocaine, percs, x's, heroin? ??

    some people do drugs because it feels good :). You can have a perfect life a perfect family yet there are people who like to get high.
     
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    kill your idols xxxxxxxx
     
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    Just because someone has riches, fame and fortune doesn't make their life any easier o.o;

    It's like David beckham, EXTREME OCD.
     
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    i dont think so. he died at the age of 27. doing drugs for fun would not kill you at that age, same goes with hendrix. died at age of 29 cuz of drugs. but well that was early 70s lol
    no i did not and not supposed to, but if you think that drugs are healthy i will seriously lmfao lol
    as i said already such people do drugs once in awhile
     

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