Religion or atheism?

religion's been around since the very first century, in those times people had no idea what rules were, so religion prohibited them from doing bad things. as bible tells if you are a bad man you will be sent directly to the hell where you'll be suffering in the dark flames for ever, but if you are a good man you will be praised in the heaven. this is a dogma, which i told prevents humans to do a radical evilness. another fact is a soul existence. some may go mad after realizing that as you die, everything is vanished, so the fact the something else beyond death exists called soul or w/e in other religions, calms you. But i'd say this is bullshit, every religion keeps straight forwarding to death, every each of them promises heaven or w/e else after death, but that's as well bullshit cuz life comes only once and you gotta enjoy it, so to sum up, there's no religion, there's no god and nothing which may protect you from above!

 

To everyone that says that current scientific theories on the origin of life, the universe and everything are lacking... I must inform you that, according to me and almost all scientists, they are very satisfactory theories.

Although it is true that we do not have a "theory of everything" yet, we have gotten pretty damned close.
We have been able to explain the behaviors of the very large (astronomical in size) with precision for the past ~100 years.
We have been able to explain the behaviors of the very small (quantum in size) with precision for the past ~60 years.
We have been able to explain the behaviors of the average size with precision for centuries now!

We have a very firm grasp of the present and are able to MAKE PREDICTIONS about the future. We can look at a piece of rock and say just how old it is, and can see THE HISTORY of the earth in the smallest of it's details. We can view the universe as it was billions of years ago.

Although we do find that our predictions are sometimes WRONG, or our idea of the past does not hold up to scrutiny, WE FIX our THEORIES NOT our OBSERVATIONS. In this way, we continue to make better and better predictions of past and future events.

I will admit that religion is indeed a means to happiness. But this is only true of the people who can live their lives in anticipation. For the vast majority of "religious" people, this is not the case. Many spend their lives in anguish and are unsure of whether or not what they are anticipating even exists! Religion is a burden to these people, a burden that prevents them from seeing the truth...

This is your only life, so live it like it's your last.

 

i do believe in God, i'm a catholic after all-though i'm sort of non-practicing. what i don't really believe is the common saying "it's God's will", like when something bad happens.

for me if there's no god then how did everything came into being, the universe, all the living things, nature, everything? is it because of the 'big-bang theory'? is the bible just a fairy-tale?

what i don't understand though is why bad things happen for example, to someone you love so much and you know he's a good person. or when something seems unfair, the greedy people getting rich, corrupt politicians, crimes unpunished, the disasters or the wars going on.

so if there really is a god then how can he allow this?

 

last night i was abducted by aliens they probed me and did other nasty things to my body.they also told me that i should refer them as my god so now i belive in the god alienees this is a true story!

 

So epically true and funny as hell lol!

 

This is a fundamental paradox with the idea of a "god", the omnipotence paradox.

1. "Y is absolutely omnipotent" means that "Y" can do everything absolutely. Everything that can be expressed in a string of words even if it can be shown to be self-contradictory, "Y"is not bound in action, as we are in thought by the laws of logic."[SUP][3][/SUP] This position is advanced by Descartes. It has the theological advantage of making God prior to the laws of logic, but the theological disadvantage of making God's promises suspect. On this account, the omnipotence paradox is a genuine paradox, but genuine paradoxes might nonetheless be so.
2. "Y is omnipotent" means "Y can do X" is true if and only if X is a logically consistent description of a state of affairs. This position was once advocated by Thomas Aquinas.[SUP][4][/SUP] This definition of omnipotence solves some of the paradoxes associated with omnipotence, but some modern formulations of the paradox still work against this definition. Let X = "to make something that its maker cannot lift". As Mavrodes points out there is nothing logically contradictory about this; a man could, for example, make a boat which he could not lift.[SUP][5][/SUP] It would be strange if humans could accomplish this feat, but an omnipotent being could not. Additionally, this definition has problems when X is morally or physically untenable for a being like God.
3. "Y is omnipotent" means "Y can do X" is true if and only if "Y does X" is logically consistent. Here the idea is to exclude actions which would be inconsistent for Y to do but might be consistent for others. Again sometimes it looks as if Aquinas takes this position.[SUP][6][/SUP] Here Mavrodes' worry about X= "to make something its maker cannot lift" will no longer be a problem because "God does X" is not logically consistent. However, this account may still have problems with moral issues like X = "tells a lie" or temporal issues like X = "brings it about that Rome was never founded."[SUP][3][/SUP]
4. "Y is omnipotent" means whenever "Y will bring about X" is logically possible, then "Y can bring about X" is true. This sense, also does not allow the paradox of omnipotence to arise, and unlike definition #3 avoids any temporal worries about whether or not an omnipotent being could change the past. However, Geach criticizes even this sense of omnipotence as misunderstanding the nature of God's promises.[SUP][3][/SUP]
5. "Y is almighty" means that Y is not just more powerful than any creature; no creature can compete with Y in power, even unsuccessfully.[SUP][3][/SUP] In this account nothing like the omnipotence paradox arises, but perhaps that is because God is not taken to be in any sense omnipotent. On the other hand, Anselm of Canterbury seems to think that almightiness is one of the things that makes God count as omnipotent.[SUP][7][/SUP]

[SUP]Also, read my post above yours. If you really want to know about how the universe could have come in to existance without a divine creator, you must first remove your notion of a "god of the gaps" where, every gap in our knowledge of the world is explained by god's existence. If you find your argument for religion to lie on the idea that "god was always there", then science should also be able to say "the universe was always there", or "that rock was always there. When searching for the origin of things, scientists look for something SIMPLE, god is an immensly complicated being, far more complex than the universe he creates, as such, the notion of a god is blasphemous in scientific literature because it explains EVERYTHING while explaining NOTHING about HOW IT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.[/SUP]

 

He gave us free-will.

 

no he dident he probed me there is no free will in that!.also there is only one god alienees!

 

There is GOD., Here is a story passed through mobile phones: A scientist(Man) told God that he now knew everything from atomic compositions of everything here on earth and even creating a human., So God asked the Scientist to make a human with Him., the Scientist gladly accepted it and began molding dust into human form but God said "No, you make your own dust"... We didn't created God out of our imagination because of the things we can't explain neither because of the things we fear., God manifested in many ways for man to see his image and his GREATEST way of showing himself is through the birth of JESUS CHRIST., (I'm a Christian by the way) You say there is no God because of war? What if God is not around, would we still be alive by now or would we be devastated by the war that u say., People create war, chaos and everything that damages yet we blame God for it., This world is apparently not perfect, full of pain and sorrow. But if you haven't experience pain how would you know that God is a comforter, a healer., This place is not our home and we're just passing through., God only requires you to have faith that He is GOD and He lives and HE can save you., Open your hearts and minds., BELIEVE in HIM, HAVE FAITH, TRUST in HIM and ACCEPT HIM as your GOD and SAVIOR and HE WILL COME TO YOU., GOD BLESS US ALL

 

Naian, quick question... Where did god come from? Doesn't his existence seem even the slightest bit interesting to you? How could a being of infinite power, infinite complexity and infinite hubris possibly come about?

 

@xxasifxx, God is the ALPHA and OMEGA, the beginning and the end.,the same question goes for you., is YOUR existence doesn't even the slightest bit interesting to you??? if it is, i don't see the reason why you people don't believe in GOD.,

 

I do believe in God and i don't care who and what says that God doesn't exists.It's his opinion as I have my opinion.
But...Do note that you can't expect God to solve all your shit in your life by only praying at him.Do that yourself,he will help on the way.
Thats why most of the people are like OMFG WHY THIS HAPPENING TO ME AND NOT TO X Y Z WHO WERE SINNING MORE THAN ME!?
It's because life is unfair sometimes..but what doesn't kills you...makes you stronger.So continue and do something with your life! God will be there to help at the right moment.

 

Gah 22 pages for nothing. There IS a God , he just doesn't give a sh*t about us.

 

there are still so many mysteries in the world that man still cannot solve at the current level of technology.

when the time comes when humans can travel far into space and establish space colonies. like when technologies such as mass drivers, nanotechnology, robotics, biotechnology, terraforming, advanced genetics and cloning are all perfected.

maybe 100+ years from now?

 

in the Taoism a God is personification of the universe.

 

Like when he was in Iraq?
Okay...

 

Cloning is just like COPY then PASTE even if it is perfected., try to create your own soul or raise the dead... even in a million years man cannot do that.,

God loves the world (the people) but He gave us free will and intellect to judge and act upon., God doesn't care??? You may say that because of your experience or whatever but your opinion remains as an opinion., people sees the Lord in many ways., Rest assured He loves everyone of us., Including you...

 

He can't be there just cause you want Him to be there.
+ War is made by man,He can not interfere.
What's man's decision,it's man's responsibility,even tho there are innocent lives in play.

He will just watch how our pitiful minds destroy one another.

 

so he's just observing? too much free will is destructive
are people going to be judged for their deeds??? is there even heaven or hell??

 

So , if you had two sons arguing with each other , you would observe?
Is this how god treats his "Children" ?


EDIT: Forgot to add , Isn't God "Everywhere" ?
Cause u just said He can't be there just cause you want Him to be there.
He isn't a human , he's everywhere , he can do anything , he just doesn't.
And about the innocent lives in play , say that to yourself.. it's how fair your god is.

ps: And by doing that , he also makes people hate him. Is this how he wants us to be saved?
We have to love and follow what god says in order to go to "Heaven" , right?
Well only a psycho would love such god i think. Fear , yes. But love? How can you?