Religion or atheism?

Too much free will indeed it's distructive but He ain't a dictator.He gives you the power to choose your decisions,that free will...and People are going to be judged by their sins,actions,and even more,by 10 laws.
For example at muslims there are 2 angels that follow you all over you go in life,the angel from your left shoulder writes every bad thing you do and the one from the right shoulder writes every good thing you do.When the end of the world will come and Judgement Day will arrive,both angels will give you 2 books and you will go at a balance and you will put the books there to see which one is the heaviest.If the book of "good things" is heavier..your going to heaven...if the other one is heavier your going to hell.Still this a interesting fact,told by a muslim friend i have..i can't guarantee it is gonna be like that or how Judgement Day will really be like...
That's your will,to believe it or not.

@petromaniac: he ain't your father that rapes you or gives you candy every night.Expecting Him to appear somewhere and help you won't get any of His help at all.He is a spiritual father not the one you have/had.But if you do want more answers of such kind i recommend you read the bible and seek answers for yourself cause my time is limited today :\.

 

Yes, it is very interesting. But no, I do not need to invoke a god to fill in the gaps in my knowledge. I prefer to contemplate alternatives, things that are less complicated and more probable. Your claim of god being the both the beginning and the end makes no sense to me, actually it does, but not in a rational sense. If YOU are allowed to say that god was always there and always will be, then I should be alloewd to say that the UNIVERSE was always there and will always be. Atleast my claim does not require a sentient being to be present.

 

And that's why they say God is beyond our logic and sense of understanding.

 

I cannot tell if your statement makes you atheist in nature or (insanely) theist.


Also, I wish to remind everyone that although this is a serious discussion, none of us are going to give up our belief system because someone posted a brilliant comment. Our beliefs are not based in logic and reason, but rather in a preference for having power or giving it away.

 

He is responsible for what's happening , he HAS TO "appear" and fix his mistakes.
And if things are like that , why do people love him? why do people call him a merciful god?
I've read the bible and almost every other religion's book (e.g. The Koran of Muslims)
Even though i was born in a christian family , i find the description of god more right in the Koran than in the Bible.
The bible describes god as a loving god , a helpful/merciful one who cares about everyone. Well , BS.


Take the people that die in africa from the hunger as an example. For how many years have they been abandoned?

 

You can't have Good without Bad now can you?
And he is not responsible for Human's actions as i told you before.
Also,now it depends which bible you have read cause there are some edited ones AKA protestants or something like that and i'm not saying their not legit but their a bit....too fake maybe..

 

1) Who can guarantee that YOUR Bible is the right and the "protestants'" one is changed? I have read almost everything i tell you , and those people you call Protestants (e.g. Pentecosts) Believe that THEIR bible is the original one and the others' bibles have been edited.

2) Who can guarantee that the Bible is right? It was written by humans.

3) We can't have good without bad because god made it like that , wake up. Couldn't he make us immortal? We could be some immortal beings that wouldn't need food and stuff.. but no , we have to suffer. Otherwise our life wouldn't be fun , would it?

4) About the responsibility thing , yes he is not responsible for our actions. When you give your kid a knife , you aren't responsible for it's actions , are you?

 

the thing is, can we even believe the bible?
is it accurate? who wrote it?

 

This is starting to get a bit fiery.

We don't need food in heaven.

 

its writen by alot of ppl not just one its different stories from different ppl.also there are alot of stories writen thats never been in the bibel but they took the best pieces and put it into a book and made ppl think there is a god.most ppl dont even know half the story behind it all

 

You live in heaven?
Don't make me insert a trollface image

Okay , seriously now.

There is noone to guarantee you that there actually IS something called "Heaven" and "Afterlife".
However , i DO believe in those two , and i know for a fact that i will go to Hell if i continue like that , but i'm not going to Lie to myself and say "I love God" after all i see just to go to heaven , plus God knows what we are thinking. He has to make things to us so we love him , because letting us just like that makes us hate him , how are we going to go to "Heaven" like that?

I'm still 19 years old you know and i want to enjoy my life , i am not going to become a religious freak for something that possibly doesn't even exist. I believe it does as i said , but i still have doubts. And we all have , even if we want to convince ourselves that everything exists and we believe in it 100%. I'll look further into that when i reach 50-60 years old and got nothing else to do but follow a religion and go to a church to talk with people , etc. For now , i have so many things to do , and most of them are Against the Bible and God's Will.

I mean if now someone came and said god is not real , and he started doing miracles , you would be really confused. And i'm not talking about magic , because magicians , the people who communicate with the devil and the evil spirits to do "magic" and tell u the past/present , can't tell u the future. When they tell u something and say it's ur future , it's either something obvious (e.g. You are going to meet a person outside ur house , and they know that because the person is already there or because the person has said to someone that he will do it). I'm talking about miracles like Reviving a dead person(Resurrecting him , w/e u call it) or curing someone's sickness. The Devil has no power to do that , only god does , right?

 

The problem is really not with the bible. The problem is how people misinterpreted the book.

 

Oh jeez, logged on and had a few likes from this thread. Glad people agree with what I had to say on the first page lol. I'll leave a nice long video, on topic, that pertains more to what I feel. Wise words from Mr. Carlin..

[video=youtube;MeSSwKffj9o]http/www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o[/video]

 

Here is my stand: I believe in a Triune GOD, the Father creator of all things, the Son (JESUS CHRIST) our Savior and Master, and the HOLY SPIRIT which lives within every CHRISTIANS., Every man has sinned against GOD and the wages of sin is death in hell but because God so loved the world, He gave his only beggoten Son JESUS CHRIST to cleanse us from all our inequities and save us from hell., Whosoever believes in HIM and accepts Him as his Savior and Master shall be given the right to become his child and have an everlasting life in a place prepared by GOD, heaven., It only takes a little faith, search the depths of your heart and you will find the emptiness that only my GOD can fill., There are mysteries that no one here on earth can answer, my GOD can in the right time., War, Chaos and everything is the work of the adversary, the devil., God wants you to acknowledge him and ask for his help., We don't have the same beliefs, we don't have something in common, hence we can't speak the same language., Contemplate on these things, GOD is extending his hand to you, reach it., My discussion ends here., If you want to know about my GOD or clarify things regarding my stand about this, you can PM me., i will be glad to clarify your queries by all means possible., thank you ^_____________,^ May GOD touch your HEARTS as you read this., GOD BLESS

 

I believe that if your a good person you will be saved no matter what God you believe in or nothing at all.

 

oh? so you're saying there's some conspiracy to twist the truth?
this is starting to sound like the da vinci code ><

i don't think it would happen just like that, i mean surely there must be some records of the originals. and no, it's supposed to be written by prophets, and people who were with Him, not just some random people.

 

i dident say random ppl anywhere no idea where u got that from.u do understand thet there are alot more shit written then whats in the bible that wasent put in there..

 

2 words... modern medicine

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Btw, you sound like how I felt 2 years ago. It's really just a stage of atheism that occurs to people who were deeply entrenched in religion and find themselves disgusted by it. Last year, I almost went back to believing, under the impression that god is not actually all powerful, but rather a scientific being who wishes to raise an army of some sort. I had the idea that he made the universe with a minimum of effort so that he can farm sentient beings and pick out the "good ones" for his army of sorts.

Eventually, I settled on the belief that this is all just a waste of time. We are wasting time and effort by distracting ourselves with talks of religion and posing questions whose answers we refuse to recognize.

Now I'm an atheist who just observes the religious, and my findings are disturbing.

Like I said before, there are some people who really do benefit from religious faith and should be able to pursue their religion to their heart's content. However, for the vast majority of people, religion is a crutch that they adamantly refuse to remove.

The step from disbelief to belief is very easy, and the church will eagerly welcome you in. But going from belief to disbelief is very difficult, for there is no "brotherhood" of disbelievers and the risk of growing apart from your family is very great. You could become that uncle that none of the kids are supposed to talk to at the family reunion because their parents fear you will "corrupt" their minds with your blasphemous talk.

 

well that just comes to show how small minded they are

 

It's not smallmindedness, it's hivemindedness. Both of which are words I just made up.