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What is the best Chanter build?

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  1. ftxfelipe

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    1. I want to play the chanter but I do not know a good build..
    2. I dont know what mantras i use..
    3. I wanna kill and dont die fast :p
    4. Im using abg gear..
    Thanks.
     
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    100% your playstyle.


    Defensive:

    -If you believe that it is in your best interest to avoid taking damage from magic-casters?

    Stack M.R. like mad.

    -If you believe that it is in your best interest to avoid taking damage from melee characters?

    Equip a shield + mace and stack block. Then stack into parry.

    -If you believe that it is in your best interest to increase resistance to melee characters dramatically while also having good defence against casters.

    Equip a shield + mace and stack block till you feel comforatable and then stack yourself full of M.R.


    Offensive:

    Pretty much everyone else has said the cookie-cutter playstyle for chanters. Stack crit to the gamezaion cap and then fill-er-up with attack.

    However I do believe other pseudo-builds do exist.

    -Stack crit to cap and then if you believe you need more defensive properties against casters -> put in M.R. stones after stacking to cap.

    -Stack crit to cap and then put in HP stones.

    -Stack crit to cap and slot in parry stones to defend against melee's.




    Things to remember:

    Remember that you are a chanter.

    Chanters have access to the widest array of buffs in the game. They have mantra's to boost critical strike, shield block, parry (a lot of parry actually), magic resistance, etc.

    Naturally, a chanter also has a fair amount of resistance to magic as well through their passives and buff (such as blessing of stone (The one with the green leaf thing on it) will add on stat points that will lower all incoming magic damage.


    My thoughts, personally:

    Chanter is actually a class I, myself, am looking to play when I come back to Aion (in the seemingly sort-of-near-sort-of-far-future).

    What build would I personally do?

    I personally would rather see myself become a nuisance that is near-unkillable. My preferred playstyle is highly defensive and tank-like.

    Equipment: I'd do nothing other than shield + mace combo.

    Why? Because the shield allows large migation of damage. When stacked ontop of pvp gear damage reduction, it becomes quite a fair number in my opinion.

    #1: HP should be fine. I'd focus on getting equipment with high HP bonus values.

    Blessing of Health II: Adds 15% health.
    Blessing of Stone I: Adds 10% health, and other things I'll discuss below.

    Thus, immediately you get a chop of +25% health.

    #2: Elemental defence:

    A beautiful statistic if you feel like having casters wanting to rip their hair out.

    Elemental screen: Elemental defence + 20%.
    Word of Protection I: Increases elemental defence by 10%.
    Protection Mantra: Increases elemental defence by 6%.
    Boost eElemental Defence II: Increases elemental defence by 3%.

    #3: Shield defence/Parry... because they shockingly go well together.

    Shield mantra IV: Adds 100 shield defence and 100 Parry... Helps bit time when crunching out calculations to get the biggest bang for your buck (manastones).

    Word of Protection I: Adds 100 shield defence and 100 Parry.

    -> Parry only now:
    Focused Parry I: Raises parry by 300 points.

    #4: Stuns, knockbacks, etc.

    Boost Attack Resistance II: Raises it (by how much, I don't know.)...
    Enhancement Mantra: Raises resistance to stun, knockback, stumble, etc by 500 points.


    #5: General damage reduction:
    Protective Ward VI: Awesome ability when caught in an emergency, throw this up and instant reduction of damage taken by 44% for 10 seconds. Highly undervalued skill.

    Full PvP gear: Passive PvP damage reduction by ~25%.

    If you block with +10 (or above) shield, melee damage reduced by 85% ontop of that.

    If you parry, I believe it reduces damage by 30-50%? (Forgot the number).

    The Elemental Defence will have you packing about a resistance to 39% of all magic damage (considering you actually use Elemental Shield...).

    #6: Last, but not least, M.R. is a godsend to anyone.

    Naturally, ABG chain has huge Magic Resistance to it. Considering that alongside the powerful buffing potential one can use, this is a very good idea to invest in.

    My theory:

    i.) First of all, if any caster really wants to break through your M.R. (like if I did), they can... easily.

    ii.) Second of all, if the caster generally doesn't care (and assumedly stacks HP, magicboost, magic resistance, etc), then one with a fair (but not overkill) amount of M.R. will do great with a fair amount of M.R. and careful consideration of other choices.

    iii.) Third of all, before I quit there was a significantly larger population of melee characters than casters. Melee being rangers, gladiators, templars, other chanters, spiritmaster pets for the most part (and their servants, of course), and finally assasins. Making the magic population a relatively small number of a select few clerics, spiritmasters and only made up for by the limited number of sorcerers whom of which have some prefrontal cortex activity occuring.

    This, this third point., is where I make the radical assumption of which even though the melee's use many abilities that are... infact... melee... these same sword-wielding toads, infact, use magic formany things.

    Examples? Rangers silence arrow (was that fixed, yet?), and their sleep arrow, their traps.
    Assasins stuns generally.

    The beauty of this? These characters Magic Accuracy is usually so low that even a minor amount of M.R. that one chanter can have from their ABG chain set can offset some of their abilities. And, more importaintly to my thesis, that these can be muffled even more by having a half-decent amount of magic resistance behind ones-self.


    Thus, with all these points being made. I have difficulties understanding, or I am simply too opinionated and thus blinded to see, the logic of why anyone would personally gag themselves with M.R.. Last time I checked, if a sorcerer really wants to ruin your day, a sorcerer can use their Supplication of Focus ability to raise their M.A. by 1,000. Significantly reducing your likelyhood of resisting the attacks of even the skimpiest sorcerer.


    Now, a more importaint idea comes into play.

    Chanters have stuns that are, at the least, annoying. At least previously, these annoying chanterstuns could (infact) increase the ability for the chanter to survive the sorcerers "barrage dans le Glacial-Spray-fFerno" (GSF for short?) (Preferrably that does not mean Glomerular Short Filtration).

    Thus buying time for the chanter to avoid the 30 seconds supplication of focus duration, thus allowing the sorcerer to be donned with their previous stance of "Oh shit I am a douchebag that stacked HP thinking I was clever..." while being sucker-punched by a logical player in the face.

    Result?: Once again, blasting oneself with M.R. till you feel like choking isn't the answer.

    Now, if they stack M.R. themselves to resist your blessed stuns, etc...

    1. Explain to me your lack of capacity to forsee this event happening?

    2. Do one of the following, or more.

    -Throw up your Elemental Shield.
    -Throw up your Elemental defence mantra.
    -Throw up your increased run-speed mantra to preferrably get out of there.
    -Pull out your 44% less damage ability, preferrably.
    -Rip out another shield.
    -Place HoT's on yourself before that sorc goes berzerk.
    -Get ready to pop a potion (You are a healer, but that doesn't mean you don't need potions. Any excuse to not have them is retarded in my mind. Have elixers AND abyss pots on yourself at all times.)

    When you see supplication of focus, rip out one (if not more) of these tricks and survive it.

    Tadaaa, chanter surviving a sorcerer's assault for el win?

    Of course, however, this is me assuming (going out on a limb to assume), that you have purposefully allowed yourself to become a meat-tank. Therefore, forcing me to facepalm epically at you. Mace + Shield, even without phenominal amounts of crit and Overdosing oneself with attakc manastones, deals one fierce amount of damage.



    Now I've said so much that I feel "bleh", I am going to sum it up (at least my point of view).

    -Chanters have heals.
    -Chanters have access to the "best" ABG equipment in my opinion. High M.R. + high pvp damage reduction.
    -Chanters have access to stuns.
    -Chanters have access to shields.
    -Chanters have access to status effecting buffs.
    -Chanters (even with Mace + Shield) have quite-good attack power behind themselves.

    NOTE: This is ignoring the fact a chanter can easily switch sets to a staff with critical-strike (or attack) stones in it. That is a very possible option to obtain the desired offensive cababilities many chanters desire.


    Possible issues:
    -Lacking the amount of manastone sockets to handle the output of stat values demanded by such an obnoxious build.

    My answer?
    Chanters have buffs that can easily make up the lacking numbers. There are quite-apparant generalized stat norms out there, and very few outliers (for example, not every spiritmaster will stack full M.A., and even if hey did your fully stacked M.R. wouldn't block them out as much as you'd like).

    I'd honestly love to see a gladiator that stacked accuracy, lawldz.

    -Lacking the offensive power.
    I feel that any capable chanter has enough abilities at their disposal that they would win-out in a battle of attrition, especially when built like this. The only factor? How well is the user in the chanters ability tool-box.

    That is ignoring the fact that a chanter can switch to a staff build at will, can most-likely spare a few stones to critical-strike boosting, a mace IS NOT A SHITTY WEAPON. It isn't the best, but you can definately take out people with it.

    ...I personally like the apperance of extendable maces ;3

    Wow the forums just deleted my guideline outlook edit. Pissed Aegis is PISSED>.

    #1: Obtain the gear you want. I know I'll have full ABG's. Count the # of slots you have.

    #2: Open a word-document... consider this your "Chanter-Balance Book" or "Chanter Bible" First thing is first, find out how much M.R. you can get from all of your slots maximally, Shield Block, Critical Strike and Parry. These will be the limits of how far your arms can stretch in this instance.

    #3: Find out the average values of people's accuracy and magic-accuracy for melee characters and mages, respectfully.

    #4: Find out the caps for these abilities... such as "Can I only block a maximum of 20% of the time (Not a true value at all, but lets say)? Therefore I only need ~200 shield-block over the normal-person's accuracy value" Remember, not only critical-strike has a limit, as many people would like to convince others off (falsely convince others of.)

    #5: Begin a budget, your character is your vessel in game... if you want to play like a pro... strategise like one! Half ass your planning, and your character will be torn in half by those who do.

    i.) Find out how many manastones would be dedicated to each thing to obtain "optimal balance". Aka. cap as much as possible.

    ii.) Find out how much your buffs (which you should feel comforatable rotating at any given situation) will raise your stat values.

    iii.) Compare and contrast the buffs alongside the manastones inorder to see optimal and maximized potential.

    iv.) Remove manastones where you find necessary. (Example, you only need 300 more points in block and your buffs boost it to over 500 more points. A surplus of 200 points. A waste of 200 points. Go back and rebudget.)

    #6: Implement the values for shield-block first. Keeping in mind the buffs you have, the added block-values from +15 shield, etc.

    #7: Implement the values for parry secondly. Remember, parry is a chanters home-land, a chantercan buff their parry up very easily in-game. I don't suspect too many manastones would go in here.
    (Also, I'll point out below, these would be the stones to give up if you feel you need more M.R. surplus.)

    #8: Obtain M.R. stones and fill to capacity if you feel comforatable with it.

    Thus, in essence, it is a full M.R. build with shield-block and parry intertwined to optimize survivability agianst melee opponents.

    As I said earlier, far earrlier it seems now, those who would want to break through your M.R. most likely will. Your best shot at surviving is to avoid their buddies with the polearms wands, maces, bows and swords behind them (aka gladiators, templars, assasins, rangers and chanters).

    For the record, most casters who home-in-on-Magic-Accuracy are spiritmasters. Their only purpose is to control you and rip off buffs (although not all think wisely enough to do so ;) ). Their damage itself is going to be poor.

    ESPECIALLY considering how a chanter will have ~39% elemental resistance backing them.

    Now in terms of sorcerers, they need to try and cut through this 39% elemental resistance alongwith all of your buffs as well. Not....going to end up well for their ego when their normally 5k hitting glacial shard hits youfor 1.9k.


    And any "meaningless" amount of M.R. you stack will be more than enough to block out clerics completely.

    Also, magic accuracy clerics would be exceptionally funny to see.... otherwise, you are a melee character and all of the "geniouses" stacking M.R. are 100% vulnerable to your melee assault on their face. Funny how "smart" becomes "stupid" when abnormalities like my strategies come into play...

    Therefore, making yet another point about full M.R. blasting. Ridonculouwz (Riddiculous spelt funny.).

    #9: If you feel the need to, factor and budget in critical strike. However, realize that critical strike could andshould be supplimented by foods, scrolls, etc. Having a decent amount of critical strike shouldn't be difficult at all.

    Sooo... tadaaahhh
     
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    Mantras: if it's a sin put Enhancement, Hit and Invincibility.
    Manastones[on set]: Magic Resist
    Manastones[weapon]: Attack

    some tricks:

    sin/ranger attacks you [stunlocking classes]> remove shock [don't use any chain skill] and pop protective ward followed by elemental screen.
    Disorienting Blow> Binding word > Mountain crash > Hallowed Strike > Infernal Blaze > Soul crush > Soul Lock > Seismic crash[followed by Resonance Haze if you have good ping]

    Spiritmaster attacks you: all of them will start debuffing you. When you see a SM pop word of inspiration, word of protection, word of revival, focused parry, rage spell [they will use their debuffs to debuff these unneeded things]
    after that pop protective ward + elemental screen followed by word of protection. you may also put Recovery Spell to outheal a % of the DoT's damage. Take care of fear. Break the stone skin as soon as possible and remember that their weakness is Stumble.

    Sorcerer Attacks you: pop protection mantra on > Protective Ward > Elemental Screen > Word of protection > Mountain Crash [remember to break their stone skin before trying to stumble them], soul strike [they will resist the stun]> when you see their stone skin is out use Numbing Blow > Disorienting Blow > Seismic Crash > Soul Lock > Meteor Strike Chain > Hallowed strike Chain

    Gladiator Attacks You: Word of inspiration all the way. Protective ward, Word of Protection, Critical mantras on[intensity and hit]. If they pop UD kite them, then use a simple stunlock.

    Templar Attacks You: Same as gladiators. Take care of UD and DON'T GET STUMBLED. Stumble means only one: Break Power [if you don't have Protective Ward on this may cost your life. Stunlock them. Remember to take care of their defence buffs and DON'T ATTACK IF YOU SEE THEY ARE REFLECTING 210 DMG [this means Barricade of Steel is on = no stun/stumble, additional defence, damage reflection.]
     
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    I see chanter experts here :p

    Since you are an abg user .. if you want to be supporter use MR and block at mace shield
    If you want to be killing machine you can also solo with the MR set.. but also a parry-crit set

    EDIT: forgot the mantras


    Hit Mantra I Invincibility Mantra I Celerity Mantra I are a good combination in ground pvp
     
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    You gotta try out different things until you find something that suits your play style too ^ ^ One certain thing will not fit to every chanter. Let me know if you wanna know more stuffs or I can help you in game if you're elyos :p
     
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    Make sure you get Triro staff fused with EGT staff.
    Oh wait... I forgot I ain't on retail, and this is the place where people run around in ABG.
     
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    I wanted that staff combine so baddddd on retail for my chanter QQ
     
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    If the templar is good,no matter what you do you wont be able to kill him. Same goes for good clerics,you cant kill them.


    Triroan staff hasnt dropped in gamezaion for ages. Its easier to get athanas..
     
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    No one is unkillable on this server by any class vsing any class.
     
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    So you are saying that you can win a skilled templar 1vs1,using a chanter? With like 20-20-20-100-20-20 dmg? Uhm id like to see that. Unless you are a GOOD cleric-sm-sorc there is practically no way to defeat and abg templar who is GOOD.
     
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    i've already posted a thread on this :)
     
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    I sure can :) Ofc I can't kill everyone. But I have won 1v1 against very good templars in the past. That's a silly thing to say. Everyone has a chance against everyone.
     
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    That applies only in zergs^^
     
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    Funny I could hardly say I'm a zerger. Again silly thing to say a zerg is not a bunch of skilled players. Maybe you should take those opinions to a server that has stigma's implemented or where abg is rare. How about retail because then I'd have to agree with you. But here? Nope does not apply.
     
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    Silly to say that anyone who has ABG is skilled though. Thats like saying everyone who drives a BMW is rich.
     
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    I have the 316i sport edition and bought it 3.000 E :p and i am not rich :p
     
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