[Information thread]OMFG my LB was NERFED !! + real number on Nerf

// can some mod change [Information thred] to [Information thread] .. kinda messed up title

Disclaimer: All videos was made on 25.10.2011

For all those sorc that think that their LB was nerfed I would like to point out few facts and also show you the reality about this "nerf"..
On retail the extra dmg given by "conditions" such as balaur/asmo target are added after basic dmg scaling calculation...
Which means Lighburst is calculated by formula ( Basic spell dmg ) + (Basic spell dmg ) * MBSCALING + Bonus dmg ...

Before few weeks, here on GAMEZ this formula was diferent and was ( Basic spell dmg ) + ( Basic spell dmg ) * MBSCALING + ( Bonus dmg ) * MBSCALING.
This little difference resulted in LB doing LOT more dmg ...
Therefore, it was fixed to RETAIL LIKE FORMULA ( Basic spell dmg ) + (Basic spell dmg ) * MBSCALING + Bonus dmg

Now for all those who are now claiming, that LB is now usless, I got something for ya guys
As Joshan was debating this in one topic ( was closed before I finished this ) here is my reply

Basic dmg of Aetheric spell is 3072
Basic dmg of Lightburst 2892 + 3470 if target is asmo/Balaur

Aetheric spell + LB dmg - Xfire Video
With 0 MB, LB is superior , because it deals 104% more dmg then AS. ( 3072 dmg of AS - 6362 dmg of LB )
With 2700 MB LB is STILL Superior, because it deals 28% more dmg then AS. ( 9984 dmg of AS - 12869 dmg of LB )

The dmg superiority of LB varies from 104% to 28%, based on MB you have .. loosing 1% of dmg every 36 MB you have.



Also on the topic of sorc nerfs.

Here is video of current status of Inferno..
inferno dmg - Xfire Video
I have 180 MB .. that means my spells does 15% more dmg ..

it should do 3613 dmg, insted of that it does 2891 dmg. WHICH IS EXACTLY 80%
That means there s 20% nerf on Inferno ..

I have heard rummors of broken magic fist ....

I have 180 MB .. so +15% dmg ...
magic fist dmg - Xfire Video
It should deal 1767 + 1767*(0,15) which is 2032
How much it did on video ? 2032.

So here you got PROOF that we have RETAIL like MB SCALING, the thruth behind LB/SB/KW and other skills "nerf" FIX !
And also you got here EXACT number how much we have tweeked nukes ( IF you dont believe on Glacial FS, post video, I am not going to spend shards for something that I alredy know)
Also, Magic fist isworking RETAIL LIKE too ...

To sum it UP .. LB was FIXED, our dmg is according to the MB scaling NCSOFT formula, we got custom 20% nerf on Inferno/ 40% on Glacial/ 25% Flame spray
Concentration is broken, root is broken, Aether hold state is based on Acc insted of Macc


Have a good night ....

THIS IS NOT QQ THREAD .. it is here just to inform all those misinformed poeple

 

You forgot Blind Leap.
I got disconnected 4 times within the last 20 minutes because i used blindleap, this is starting to get on my nerves really bad.

ps: Just lightbursted a ranger for 7k+, noncrit.
Used magic fist on a gladiator, 3.422 damage.
my mboost is around 2.3k.
used glacial on like 5 people. it dealt 2k~3.9k

I don't think they are nerfed by just 20% lol.

 

if you can use glacial on dummy and post its dmg here with no gear ( 180 MB ) and I will tell ya how much it is nerfed ...

 

Sorry but concentration is working as it's supposed to work according to alente and the testers. Reroll plate is the solution.

 

I am seriously getting a plate now. Someone wanted my cloth set for it last time I better contact him and make use of my abg crit set finally, do I go templar and BP!

WTB Templar Mentor :lol:

 

I am thinking about glad . never had one .. and when I see how them tear me apart in 2 seconds, doing 3k+ cleaves, makes me yelly ... Also with bow I would be able to kill all casting classes

 

I also think i will roll gladi or templar as soon i get chain or plate
This server always wanted everyone to roll melee but it seems they are really pushing it through now

 

Concentration fix? LOL, I'll ask Crucified to post a video of his sorc on retail getting smashed by a glad he is hardly interrupted.

 

Please doOOO!!! Its almost impossible to heal!

 

rather "plate class"... assassin as melee is just -.- never mind.

 

Thank for time you took to prove this.

I really hated all those noobs who were crying at LFG about Ligh/Shadowburst being "nerfed"(non-1hit-pwn-buttoneh).
Yet, i will always be against "custom nerf" of main nukes.
The game provides enough protection against sorc already. It's noob's fault they fail to research (or prefer to cry) instead of crying everywhere. *MR +scrolls+food+glasses = barely 1k hits from sorc?*

Sorc is the only class that can't do a thing against a "full MR" socketers. Supplication Focus? Magic Assist? Granted, yet those might be kited and/or debuffed.

Someone WILL say that MR stackers are pain in the buttocks for i.e. rangers as the ranger can't stun/sleep/silence lock such opponent...well, that is true. But Ranger still can deal damage, sorc ... not.

Going back ontopic: Lightburst seems to be fine to me and you ensured me about it, yet i don't use it often... i like KW moar
It's funny how zergs switch their panic mode when they get KW'ed, even if cler is smartz and heal it up instantly

 

I seldom used it when I was playing elyos sorc its kinda useless to pvp if u can just 1hit, unless I really have a grudge on someone

 

Glacial is 60% of it's original damage, Flame Spray is 75% and Inferno - 80%. I've tested those

In fact, last days of 2.1 were Retail-like, with SB/LB/KW/LW as exception. Yeah, back then when we were hitting 10k Glacials, 12k Pandaemonium Focuses and 9k Flame Sprays. That was Retail-like. We've seen it, and we know Gamez cannot handle the game as it is designed.

 

I dont understand why that big nerf on glacial ... 20% is far enough if you ask me ... because if sorc want to have glacial he doesnt have any defense .... In Lumiel of course ... siel is different coffee

I am happy that someone likes this ... but I need do disagree with your statement that we can´t do a thing against MR classes ...

the natural gap between our Max Maa and their Max MR is ussualy 200 ... with ressist scroll / glasses / food they have aprox 23% reduced dmg . Mr is not a big issue, because in most cases, we can nuke them down in those 20 sec, or either 1 min. The only thing that matter is the timing ... As we are sorces, during our 8 sec silence we can do Delayed manga ( 1451 fire dmg, Inferno 2513 fire dmg 3072 Aetheric spell and maybe even flame harpoon 1213 dmg )
that is together 8249 dmg now lets say we have average of 2300 MB - 191% bonus dmg, and we did proper combo Frost>Flamefusion>silence>root

That leaves our target with 7-8sec silence 8 sec flame fusion and did aprox 2624 dmg before MB.

Lets asume, our target have 20% pvp deff and we have 28% pvp attack .. that measn our dmg is affected by MOD =0,58.

So before "nuking we did "
(2624 * 2,91 ) *ELEMENTALRESSIST(0,77)*(0,58) = 3410 dmg
Now, while nuking we have all fire dmg boosted by 15% that means
(8249 * 2,91 )* *ELEMENTALRESSIST(0,92)*(0,58) = 12 808 dmg

The first 3410 dmg could be potted by Abyss pot and in before he could used 1940 hp pot -- se in the end we did aprox 10 878 dmg ...

That is enough to kill almost everyone besides temp and glad .... so Mr is kinda uneffective against sorc, I would say we even have very good weapons to fight MR targets ...

 

If a sorc rolls glacial on lumiel he should be automatically banned instead.

 

they nerfed sorc's too much because people used to QQ too much.. especially since sorc's population growed up so quick!

And those QQers because they didn't want to die so fast (as they should) they started complaining ( so that they can be stronger)

some other said... i am full abg! why i should die so easy from a sorc?

sorc kills nothing without buffs or magic boost+magic acc set.. even with pvp gears.. hard to kill someone!

 

Oh..nothing bout Le Blanc here..

 

Well, don t judge them because of the build ... some sorc can be effective even with nuking build ... it is everyone´s choice ...
Some prefer quick dmg, some prefer be almost immortal to spellcasters and be versatile in Pvp ...

But I think with SS build you will learn to play better, because you need to actually play with your target not just nuke him down ...

O.T. The worst thing that can sorc meet is another sorc with EW .. 100 base + 100 sroll +300 EW + 73 Glasses +60 food +50 Chanter buff = almost 700 Ele ressist ( 700 fire ressit for sure, if ABG Equiped ) ... that means that they will be ping pong each other very long time ...

 

That is true, however not valid.

I like how you play your magic with those numbers, everything fits.
(ninja edit: It is not a sarcasm, i really do)
But tell me, since when we should take into consideration as a "full MR" target for sorca a sitting duck/dummy ?

In theory Sorc can laugh vs MR, in reality it is the "full MR" who yields the upper hand.
He can kite/hide/runaway/mauform/focusevasion/shieldpop/etc.

The only reason i find MR completely unfair vs Sorc is the fact that we are the only class that with certain build is a sitting duck against "full MR" excluding those 20s - it's not only that your CC's will get resisted, all your damage haz coffe break. Magic Assist's 300MA is not always enough.

Edit: Further Wallie'O'Text:

MR is somethig persistent, you have it 24/7, also it has no real cap (m.boost cap anyone?), that is the flaw.

Find me another class that is completely helpless due to ANY manastone build, as well as a class that can barely run away from others. (Glad/Temp: Charge, Sin/Ranger: Wind/Mau, Cler: lol, SM: fearbomb)

I would quote epic guy who claimed Sorc is "uncatchable class", as he perfectly ignored skillchains and talked trash how sorc can just use BlindLeap -> Time and Space jump ....

Well, tbh i'm qq'ing just about running because i quite much fail to escape zergs with all those allmighty skills i haz, but the main reasoning goes to MR, again.

MR + nerf + bugs = free AP sorc

I know only one sorc who is almost living at other factions zone killing anyone in sight with high efficiency, yet that person said he/she very rarely is capable of escaping any zergs with just skills.

Well, i do look like a QQ'er, but i am trying to reason my motives at least. I find MR being the biggest failure of Aion, and as you can see i can elaborate about it, proving my claims.
Don't take me wrong, even with current situation of Sorcs i am capable of 'some' pvp, yet it is far beyond anything what you would call 'good pvp'. Fighting undergeared/unskilled newbs is nothing.
If a low pinger faces me as a crit glad/sin it's GG, literally.

 

well,you are right .. you cant play like against low MR .... it is one moment or we loose ...

Well if you mannage to execute Frost>Flamefusion>silence>root ( nothing got potted/dispelled )
Cleric is sitting ducks
Gladiator is sitting ducks
Chanter is sitting ducks
Rangers is not, but let´s face it, rangers can ´t heal effectively .. full Mr means for them low crit .. pretty fair for me
Templar is sitting ducks
Sorcerer is sitting ducks
Spiritmater is sitting ducks
Assasin is sitting ducks

besides this combo, there is no "sure" that the will be still besides you ...

The other day I have met one cleric from LC, crazy dispelling skills .. I could´t cover a single silence + he topped my 2000 Ma( got a lot MB on my Set ) ... I got ressisted a lot so better get out ...