Controlling the Trading Economy

Goal: to control In game trading system prices and to restore the economy as well as to stop the bloodsuckers from ripping off players and OP traders since 3.0 is coming soon.


How?: Certain items should have certain equivalent not exceeding to it's worth especially those
items that are attainable only via credits.

ex. abg set = abg set

abg weapon = abg weapon if godstones has same value then it should be fair..in terms or remodel it
should be negotiable

WOCL1 = 1 abg weapon (if godstone socketed) it should be fair enough.


if there will be + add? ADD must varies (Consumables, Dropped items/obtainable items in game) will be fine but not that many in numbered or something not painful in most gamers.

Don't?:

when the trader ask ADDs that is obviously injustice like:

abg set = abg set + abg weapon and etc.. (plate should have same value)

abg weapon = abg weapon + Masta set/Masta weapon

WOCL1 = 2 abg weapons , very OP for me coz weapons have remodels and godstones,
most of them.do the math.

when 3.0 comes there will be a chance that 1 abg set = 1 part of the new 3.0 item where there is just a slight gap in terms of stats..

at present the economy sucks, worst than in real life.

Solution?: people caught successfully trades OP should have consequences
- jailable 1st offense 24 hours
-2nd offense 72 hours
-3rd offense ban for 1 week and the items that may be considered as excess are returned
to the trader.
-4th Perma Ban
-or any better suggestions..

Pls dont flame this thread. it is just a suggestion to aid the broken trading system. if u dare pls dont bother to leave it.

Vote 1 if u agree and vote 2 if u disagree and vote 3 if u just dont care.

sorry for the bad english..it is understandable. only fool cant undertands it.

 

I AGREE! I don want to giv 4 abg weapons for add

 

I guess those rare items won't be sold anymore. My WOC1 = NTO WEAPON. Whoo. ^^

 

since, people will always add even those buyers , espcially on rush.. do they get banned aswell? (those who offered the adds, not the seller asking for adds)

 

So your basically....Asking us to become communist trade moderators?

 

well it is a good idea. an AM assigned to assist fair trades...

it is just a suggestion... well in this matter traders are force to trade FAIRLY id they dont want to get infracted.

 

True that. There are lots of good offers but the sellers don't really need such items. Then the buyer would add and add and add so on and so forth till they get the items they want. Its their choice if they want to add or not. If you're in a rush then you must add if not then good luck with the remaining days of your VIP status. As simple as that.

 

well my point is this.. if the seller decide to sell his items via trades then it means he dont need it or he needs another items for an opposite class item... for example he needs abg bow from his abg tome as he is switching to ranger... if he really wants to play ranger and in a RUSH he will be force to trade FAIR... get my point?

 

I fail to see how this idea is practical or desirable. Although reading this thread so far it seems a bit sensationalist, you're throwing buzzwords around to get excitement from those who hate "add" which is lovely and all but the actual logic of your "solution" is silent.

Gamez has always been a free market where market forces determine the value of items within the economy. If people stop accepting raw deals then you wont have an issue. When players are demanding prices/trades that are ridiculous/unreasonable then just be a sensible buyer and refuse to trade with them. Sooner or later if people act logically the market will correct itself and most people will stop demanding those prices.

The value of items within our economy is simply determined by what people are willing to pay for them. If there are people out there paying more than you are well.. tough biscuits? And if no one is paying that price then the market will gradually correct itself over time.

The only benefit I'm really seeing to forcing price caps would be to make those with leftist ideologies of the draconian variety happy and that seems a bit silly. In exchange for that we would have to dedicate large amounts of staff time into monitoring trades/trade offers and enforcing punishment on violators. Those not comfortable with that will either simply stop trading or go underground and trade through friends in a blackmarket scenario.

I appreciate the fact you dislike getting offers/requests that you think are unfair but at the end of the day that's how markets work. People are out to make a profit and if you want to win you need to know how to play the game. Excessive regulation accomplishes little imo =p

 

Pretty much what he said ^

 

The idea is not bad, but will be dificult to AMs, cuz there are many traders on this server, but he has a good point, we really dont want to pay 2 or 3 abg weaps for 1 single part of the new sets, i think dont OP the new sets on shop is the solution. let me explain that:

old armor will be devalue, so i think 2500 credits is a good pricer for 3.0 items(is $25), why should cost more that 2500? dont be greedy . Is pretty simple.

 

true, now i think about it, i don think anyone will trade woc lv 2 for 2 abg weapons only >_>

 

of course they won't... 1 because a LOT of other people have traded 3+ ABG sets for a pair, and 2 because they would actually be valued at 6.5k, making it 3 ABG pieces + something worth 500 creds

 

its all about the person involved in buying and accepting the price of the seller.
if u choose (or most ppl) will try to not deal w/ those OP sellers, then ofc, they wil be forced to let their prices/demands lower.
but there are always this rich people that doesnt care and is still willing to give those OP sellers what they want coz they can afford it.

market is fun.. just learn how to play the market game.

 

I can see it now... Guides Section: How To Trade... Seccion Español: Como Vender y Comprar... Guide Section: Detailed Videos on how to trade Fair..

ALL the guides..

 

it should have been a lot cheaper when easter shop came out cause the fact that it stayed there for atleast a week, the idea of trading 2 abg sets + add for 4k vip would sound OP even for greedy people(except for both greedy and stupid). but then they changed the price to 6.5k, it became worse..

 

To me these are words full of www.excuses.com. The reason why I say that is because few months ago you made a total wipe of the APP that the so called God was giving away. Months ago, you have reduced the AP rate to prevent people from obtaining PvP gear easily. Months ago, you did AP wipe, twice if my memory serves me well. Months ago, you did a kinah wipe and set a kinah cap.

So, if you say that Gamez has been always a free market, then how come you have attempted so many times to control it and save it from the chaos? Yes, the players determine the value but dude, when on your server 80% of the players ask ABG set for an ABG weapon, then you have a problem. It's not like there are only FEW and RARE occasions when this happens. In Gamez the insane ADD in trades is pretty big problem and you should face it as it is.

It's understood that you want people to buy from the CS, because they know that they can sell certain items from CS for a really BIG deal, example is the WOC1 = ABG set or even more. Seriously, this is just fk'ed up as heck to trade 2k for 10k credits and you should take an action for it when you have more than 50% of the community to protest against this issue.

Let me address this problem in another way, if you are not willing to solve this issue, then you will end up looking for another wipe or another cap in few months. Yes, you want to sell the items in your CS, but also release that trades in game are becoming quite unbalanced when you have 8 out of 10 traders to demand insane offers for just a simple item which is rare.

I'm gonna put it like this: if the population of Gamez is 1000 and more than 50% of it are greedy traders, then yes you do have a problem that you have to deal with it.

There are games that never let this become a problem and there are some really good working methods to fight the greediness of some individuals who like to abuse the rare items and sell the more than just over-priced. Some of the trading methods that I've seen in my gaming career area as follows:

- There is one main Trading House or Auction house, and its the only way to trade gears and weapons in the game. The prices for each item are set by the Staff and the rates can vary but they are completely fair and controlled by the Staff as per the CS selling rates. Only the players with the 'Gold' membership can sell all items in there w/o and restrictions, the rest of the players can sell only certain items. If the regular player wants to sell those 'special' items as well, then he has to pay a fee for it, in gold (gold = same as the credits for the CS). The scrolls and potions can be traded between players w/o the need to submit it in the Broker.

- The trades of the rare items, gears and weapons with special valued are done by GMs or through a special NPC, on a certain map (- The Market Crossroad -) where players from all factions can enter for free at any time and trade.

- The players can sell credits through the Auction House. They set a price in the game's main currency for 1 gold (- 1 credit -) and can sell up to X amount of gold per day (- kinda like the BOI or WOI system -). This way players can sell and by the CS currency within logic rates and all are being happy.

You see, Alente, there are a lot of 10+ kids who play this game and they might not have been familiar with the logic value of each item or they might be just naive enough to buy overpriced items. You can't go out and say that buy the best deal when some players have no knowledge what deal is the best, since they cannot judge the correct value of an item.

I don't say that there should be done something dramatic, but you cannot just let it go when there are so many players who ask insane offers for some pixels. This has been a problem for how long now and will continue to be one if no actions will be taken.

Just my 10 cents.

Cheers~

 

Would be cool if only people would know what it means to be fair like you said many blood suckers and not your the players.

 

People are free to trade their items for whatever they want..if you think that their asking too much just ignore them and take it as some mad people spamming nonsense ;x

 

I'm not addressing all of your post cause that'd be going hardcore mode on a thread that could be closed by the time I'm done, but as far as I understand, those "naive" players are naive kids in real life that do stuff by themselves everyday. If you don't let them make a mistake or 2 from experience, they will never learn and blame the system for it.

The problem does not have roots in the staff or development crew. It has roots in the community, just like zergs, beggars, spammers hotheads, etc... there will ALWAYS be these kinds of people, and all you have to do as a fair person is avoid them. I ignore people that beg for items, or legion invites. I send the "+ADD" traders to sanctum so they can sit all day spamming shouts, instead of trading them. I will even turn down trades if a person offers me an add. Honestly, you can't expect a mature MMO private server to go Runescape mode and regulate EVERYTHING that happens in the game, from the trades, to the cursing.

As human beings, our moral code is what makes a difference in a daily basis. That goes in hand with maturity, no matter your age or ignorance. If you have a choice in front of you, you chose according to your moral code and logic, just like if you want to understand something, you study it. There's tons of aion databases out there, as well as forum threads here that have a lot of information, useful information, that could be used as a guide in game. The fact that people are lazy, would rather get scammed over some item, and then rage at someone else, it just means they didn't care in the first place and let their greed take over. That "greed" rule applies to pretty much everything regarding rule-breaking in the community, with a FEW exceptions. For example, Zerging for AP, spamming for Kinah, begging for items, doing rush instances and ninja-looting, hacking for power, bug abusing for power, OP trading for items, etc..

There is so much that can be regulated in a community without actually starting to kill it, and I really do think you should consider that.

FYI, pretty sure those AP wipes had a reason: people zerging and abusing the system, or people abusing the relic NPC's. Greed, that's all there is.