To the ones whom have control over the Gamez Aion Shop prices

180$ is 240 bulgarian levs and the average monthly salary is around 600 (high being around 1k) is it beaten ?

 

Lmfao, noop Tony <3

 

Can I just say, I admire your guts. :wink:

 

Well that is indeed admirable of her/him saying those bold words right into the Gamez Admins face.

 

180$ is 8,000 Php and the average monthly salary is 8,000-10,000(some are going 12k) it almost wipe everything,is it beaten? =)

 

I love your guts dude hehehe, anyway as long as there not forcing you to donate or buy you dont have the right's to complain. GOD give a FREE WILL!

 

Morometi reply has been removed and i double post wooootttttttttttttttttttt!

 

What the OP said is quite mild compared to some of the stuff that happened here long ago, but that would be opening an old can of worms all over again and what's done is done.

Speak for yourself. There are many neighborhoods where people cower in fear of the thugs that break into their homes and force to play games on private servers and donate for the best items. The most feared of all are the Skin Thugs for LoL that force people to buy the latest skins. Scary bunch that lot is.

 

Guildwars 2 F2P Aug. 28, C9 F2P Officially released, Aion International F2P & Xvideos never been better tell me what's the point of playing here xD LOL... except trolling the forums

 

The time when I was posting this kind of threads... As Autumn said once "Gamez history repeats itself, there will always be kids who will spend money on overpriced item, blah blah.." =)

 

Overall its not that much because you would use the credits you also get from voting.

 

TBH, I used to think in the same way that the OP does, because I used to play on retail servers and Gamez was the first pirate server that I played on. Yes, pirate and not private because the game's coding has been stolen, just copy-pasted without any rights of republishing the original game.

Anyhow, what I was late to understand is that all pirate servers are being ran for the pockets of the owners and not for the people who cannot afford/and or don't feel like wasting cash on monthly base for a game in order to play. They don't bring you a free to play game, but a free to log-in game. The only reason WHY this kind of servers are up is the un-taxable cash-flow directly to the owners' pockets. Some money go to the maintenance of the host servers and the electricity bill and some crappy hardware upgrades every year or so, but that's all. At the end of the day, they become richer for selling pixels that they did not create, designed but just stole from the original source.

Don't expect they to listen to the community or to understand because it's their choice they've made to ignore people who want to damage their little business.

 

Fairy tails now. :sick:

Fact. They are deceiving us, they're cheating us, the item cost are overpriced, and you're saying we should just let it be. Again, the same baseless comment. Well if you don't like it, then leave. The fact is, I do in fact enjoy this server "for what it is", however what I don't enjoy is the direct leeching of the community, when nothing beneficial is adequately returned.

They don't force you to donate, however look at what they've done to almost force people to do so. They've lowered drop rates everywhere, even though I have VIP, it's nearly impossible to see a golden item drop upon mobs that should in fact be dropping them more frequently with a consistent ratio. Thy used to allow Non-VIP members to trade and distribute items such as BT, besides the items like ABG etc, however now, anything higher then Tahabata is now non-tradeable unless you are VIP. Even raiding requires VIP now, because you can't trade them unless you are, and the drop rates are horrendous if you aren't as well.

This again is another statement of...either donate, vote or SoL. That's $15 per month, or if you want to look at it, another 15 days worth of voting, and that's hitting 12 hrs per day with no misses. I wouldn't mind donating, in fact I want to donate to this server to obtain those items.

However at such prices? Also, yes, Cheaper ='s more donations is a reality and not a myth. I've had direct friends whom have run servers of there own before in the past with other MMO's which were significantly less in donation cost while providing far better services as admins and were able to produce great results in monthly income from the game itself. Just to let you know, I'm also a person who works within a marketing company, and I can assure you, a modest good price will beat out the overpriced option any day of the week, because more consumers will come to you, simply because you were $1.00 cheaper then the guy next door.

Once again, if Carl wants a lot of money, it's better with lowered prices, and he could also do special bundles during holidays. Like "Buy Two, get one free" or whatever. I've seen great successes with that, however at this ratio, he'll only reach out to a small group of people to only donate. If you can get over half the server to donate consistently with smaller amounts, that ratio will outweigh a handful of players donating for these items. Simple fact.

You really don't believe that more people on a higher percentage ratio wouldn't donate if the items were say $10 dollars instead of $25 or $30? Please, let Carl change the #'s at $10 per piece for ONE month, and we'll see the income/donation ratios if I'm wrong here, or even $15 if he's still got the greedy bug inside of him.

The price is steep, period, which is the main point. The other aspect that you deny is the economy, I mean, have you seen some of the trades for ONE ACD item? I've read some of the most ridiculous trades right here within this very forum right after ACD's came out and were then removed. It's just terrible for how much a single ACD piece now goes for in terms of trade.

F2P, I get that. Don't donate if you don't want too, okay, I get that too. Don't play if you don't like it, okay, I get that. Still doesn't remove what I said, that pricing it for $30 a piece is a flat out rip-off, and that deceiving people so they pay you for those items only to introduce better ones less then a month later to make them pay once more. Just as worst are those like me, whom voted to earn our credits. Considering I got the same answer that "ACD's will not be coming out anytime soon due to them being buggy etc, etc." Imagine all of the people whom did vote, and because of that, decided to obtain EAC's instead only to find out later that you had wasted your voting credits already.

Yeah, we shouldn't care, let's just let them pass on that. Once again, I'm glad more people think like me :love: .

Btw, still waiting for Carl or anyone else whose an admin to reply back, and let them put forth their statement.

 

When it comes to the end it all about money..... today world is about money whether it is wrong or not..... when there is a demand there will always be people that selling it.... whether its drug, prostitution or other things.... just face the fact....

 

What? This has nothing to do with gamez.
We are talking about the stuff being overpriced, and this is a free server, but still you have to have atleast abg to be able do do something,
because all the people are either donators either really good deal sellers. (or vote alot; new voting system sucks by the way.)
I totally disagree with 30$ one piece from five pieces in total (eac armor). Its too much. I dont see any reason to donate for this,
when you can just go to retail which is the original server and it's free now.
If you, Carl, or whoever is making this ridiculous prices, you will have even more money. Because more people will buy it.
Thats the argument I have, and whether its wrong or right, this is an opinion from 15 year old girl.

 

paying real money for imaginary stuff..../PASS

 

of all the the messages here, this one has sense..hahaha, but i played this server without donating..just keep on voting even its gives very little tolls, i just like the the pvp..hahahaha...

 

I actually quite enjoyed reading this thread while I was out and about today, along with all the conspiracy threads that it was about to be ninja deleted, but I guess now that I'm home I should reply. Certainly an interesting thread although it mostly reads like an campaign message during election year, someone should probably go inform Anonymous that someone is trying to steal her presidency.

The heavy amount of populist ranting was a bit unpleasant though. "They said this" and "they said that" were especially popular along with some pretty convenient interpretations of statements we've made in the past but then I guess it wouldn't be a good angry mob thread without that. Still there are some merits here so I'll address the interesting submissions below.

Leaving this open for now but if people continue to bicker, or decide to abuse eachother or staff, I'll probably just delete the entire thing and start infracting. Or perhaps I'll just get bored and delete it anyway - it could happen. Enough joking around though, wall of text inc:

Well that's a bit rude - probably not the best way to influence change by starting with angry red underlined insults. Good for sensationalism though!

Yes, we did indeed state (I personally said) that ACD would not be introduced into the market "anytime soon"

Where we seem to disagree is your perception of "soon". In Aion terms with the rate NCSoft releases expansions and the cash shop being updated to match I personally would value "soon" anywhere between 1-3 weeks. Perhaps a month?

ACD was not introduced until over a month (just under seven weeks, 46-47 days) after EAC. That's pretty far past soon by my calendar. Personally I would have liked to not see them until around Halloween since we skipped the 4th of July mostly but we can't all have what we want all the time sadly.

I'd like to see a quote of us ever saying WoC2 will never see the light of day on Gamez.

WoC2 was originally to be a permanent shop addition before I heavily opposed its introduction, we ended up compromising and placing it in the Christmas shop. It has admittedly seen the light of day again in one or two special shops since, much to my disdain, but unending demands via email for the item are hard to argue against it turns out.

The only people who have any meaningful say on CS pricing are admins, please try to avoid blaming "moderators" or staff in-general. They are not in a position where it is fair for you to blanket them in criticism.

It is also worthy to note that despite the numerous implications of such in this thread the staff here are not "greedy" or "money hungry" Hell I personally couldn't care less how much you or any other person chooses to donate - it makes zero difference to me as I'm not paid. My personal interest in donations is limited to whether or not the server bills are paid, beyond that it's meaningless drivel to me.

I agree that the ACD sets are somewhat overpriced, personally I would have preferred them being placed at 2.5kC as per EAC pricing. The issue with pricing is maintaining a structure that reflects the increasing value of items. If new items are set at the same price level as previous inferior ones it causes the original donation/vote credits used to become relatively meaningless. Having said that do I believe a price hike was necessary considering the stat difference between EAC and ACD? No. Was there one? Yes.

Again. I really do not give the slightest damn about your money.

It's typically frowned upon to imply anyone who doesn't agree with your particular viewpoint "gullible and foolish" No one likes a bully.

Oh shit let me go delete this post. (That really is annoying)

Pricing needs to remain tiered to prevent major, and justified, donor/voter backlash over old purchases. A complete overhaul of pricing will do little beyond causing those who have spent credits in the past to come charging onto the forums guns blazing demands vengeance.

The absolute last thing we want is to have people who have supported the server in the past finding their thank-you gifts suddenly completely and utterly devalued.

Do people make stupid and illogical trades? Trading one piece of a set for massive piles of slightly inferior gear? Yes - of course they do just look at LFG. Stupid people who are bad at making deals exist in the real world too, just because people are stupid doesn't mean we should completely overhaul the economy to suit them. We have quite a few players on Gamez now who have manipulated the economy and made smart trades to deck out entire accounts fully in PvP gear and piles of loot. Is it the absolute latest gear? Perhaps not. Is it more than sufficient to be highly competative? Yes.


Those people have never donated a dime and yet are easily considered the most "wealthy" on the server because they're smart. If someone is demanding a bad deal then don't take it, all it takes is common sense and people demanding those awful trades will have to change if no one's taking them. If people are taking them, more fool them - they're getting played.

Again with lip. If you want to have an actual discussion then do so with some class or I'll simply nuke this thread out of existance.

Why are you arguing about whose country is worse off? I fail to see the relavence.

Votes are, and always have been, designed as a possible means to get gear however it's meant to take time. Admittedly that time did increase with ACD although the pricing of that is addressed earlier in this response.

As far as voting not being instant gratification though of course that's the case. What reason would people have to donate and support the server if you could get a full set easily in a couple weeks? Out of the kindness of their hearts? Spin it as much as you like with all the idealism in the world but people don't work that way. One or two might, they might even make indignant replies to this very post to show everyone what a great person they are and that they would if only X was Y but lets be honest here. Those people are either rare or they're bullshitting to impress their forum friends.

Not buying it.

Insufficient posts to meet deletion criteria.

 

Apparently you're making circular reasoning to issues I did not even pointed. Anyway, to let this exchange of thoughts to flow freely, I'll be giving my 2 cents about those issues as well.

First VIP, as far as I remember it was introduced to put "controls" on alternates and dummy accounts which were abused by the means of multi-voting not to mention to put on-hold the exhange of duped items at that time. The added modifier was a bonus.

Second Cheaper = more donations, is nothing more than a myth. Hell, knowing Gamez, seeing how they exploit every inch of items to get donations they would've done this long time ago.

Third They lied, For playing in this server for quite a long time I've seen what lies, cover-ups and dramas unfolded in this server. Those who are saying they did not would be too hypocrite to deny it.

Lastly, going back to the most basic premise of this issue. "The price", Seriously if there were no other means of acquiring these items and they're selling it for 30 bucks a piece then that would've been something to poke your nose at. But seriously I don't get why is this even an issue when you can get those items for free with just a little patience to vote. If you really want to get it in an instant then it's about taking a risk of getting an "Overpriced" item or not. I would've agree with you if it would take 3 months or 6months of voting to get a piece but guess what it'll only take you 30 days of clicking vote or taking 5minutes of your time a day.

So princess, It's not that we shouldn't care nor just let things pass but one should always learn how to use one's common sense to deduct things in a manner that is acceptable. It boggles me that someone has been given a short and clean red-carpet road at a cost of a hefty penny rather than the long and rocky one and still has the guts to question why it costs too much to pass.

 

when ncc was implemented in gamez with 2.5k credtis 1 part i stoped to donte for this server..