About new rules

is true ?

Now if you kill on neutral zone is permanent Ban ?
or
Ninja Loot I permanent ban too ?

some one tell me yesterday...now that will be punished with permanent ban ..

 

Yes it is true, you aoe in the neutral zone you get a perma ban. While I do think its harsh and all they need to do is fix the damn bug it needed to happen. To many people were breaking that rule, come back and just keep breaking that rule, not caring what happened. Then people started spamming the report threads so they just made it a perma ban.

and ninja looting I believe is still on the 3 strikes system. first you get a 7 day ban, then a 14 day ban, then perma ban.
Here are the rules for you to read up on, they state everything in there
http://forum.gameznetwork.com/f2/[official]-server-rules-21-7-a-87934/

 

Thanks to whoever implemented those rules.

 

yup I agree with u
People should follow the rules!!!! if not then deal with what happens

 

If you dont do that in game, then there is no problem

 

It takes time for devs who probably are getting paid little to nothing to make a fix for any bugs. Everyone always believes that fixing things is so easy when its not. In the mean time people are consciously abusing the bug, it has been said many times that abusing bugs is wrong. Yet people are dumb and keep abusing bugs, the punishment obviously wasn't enough to make players stop, so thus the increase in the penalty for abusing the bug.

 

While it is true that they increased the punishment, they increased it because the forums were bring spammed with reports of that bug abuse. The only true fix to it would be either getting rid of the bug or the safe zone all together. It's only a temporary fix, and even then people will still do it regardless, it may stop the worst offenders but they will always get reports of it. If they want to stop the reports then they have to fix it. And sure it takes time to fix, but wouldn't the dev team want to fix a bug to help increase the enjoyment of the game, while reducing the stress on the GM's and them themselves.

Every game has bugs, and every serious development team is there to fix those bugs. It hurts a game if you just leave the bug as it is.

But in all honestly, it's not the dev teams fault. Its our faults for continuing to be mindless idiots and turn a blind eye to the rules that are put in place for our enjoyment.

Off Topic Edit: Tee hee, my 69th post

 

Actually, you guys realize that it took NCSoft from 3.0 - 3.0.0.8 to fix their bugged Black Cloud Camp and that was simply a miss labeling on their part.

As for the increase in the punishment for using AoE skills in a neutral zone. There are a couple things here to take note of. First, it says on the middle of the screen, 'Attacking the enemy faction is not possible' / There is an Icon Change to a Sword with a Little circle with a line though it. Those two factors should have been enough alone, along with the fact that it was well known, as we have announced in game about the original punishment for committing that act.

Have some players fallen to the new rule? Yes. Is it their fault, of course it is as we have said in game. Now, I personally do not like to issue permanent bans on such thing and have found a different solution as a temporary method to halt such things at least on Siel. I'm sure you've seen my pretty guard towers. I'll place more in other zones if need be but, for now that will stem any necessity of issuing permanent bans as they do love to blow up people. Think of it as our way of not having to enforce a rule that, while is a method for us to combat the issue on a more harsh and scary level, and give people a chance.

I am not going to say that, it will not be enforced as if someone goes though the entire Nine towers at Northgate, and or goes though the effort of getting though the walls placed at Northton (Other zones at the moment are going to be protected on a need be basis.) We will enforce every rule as it is more than obvious that the player in question went the extra length to get though the protective measures. (Don't think about killing the towers. They have a rather short fuse.)

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On the subject of Ninja Looting. It was a wide spread and common thing to see when Stormwing and Beshmundir were first fixed properly for players to enjoy and acquire gear. People were basically griefing entire parties over and over. It was to again, protect people who were being harmed by such actions of others inconsiderate and greedy ways.

The second rule is not new, it's been around since I think about 2.7? Maybe slightly earlier. And to great success as the reports of ninja looting have dropped off dramatically and it isn't as common of an occurrence now.

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The same could be said for the original method for dealing with the abuse of the AoE issue. However, after having issued literally, Hundreds of temporary bans. Nothing changed, First / Second offenses and still people were going back to do it again. That is total disregard for any rule, and is a blatant 'I don't care about the rules' attitude. So, the punishment was upgraded.

As for us as a GM Team on either server. It has happened, multiple times to where a GM had been on a report for someone who was actually hacking (speed hack or other wise) and players would start spamming them about someone or multiple people abusing the AoE issue. (Yes, afaik the devs are working on a fix for it =) ) Since the GM was unable to respond as fast as they possibly could having to follow and investigate someone else. The player who was being attacked would well, complain that they are not doing their job, etc etc.

Is it fair for the GM's who are giving their free time to be considered not to do their jobs, when they are chasing down true cheaters? I am not saying that attacking in a neutral zone is not cheating, but you also have to consider how many players have been baited into retaliation and then reported as well. I have fielded plenty of complaints about those actions as well. (Also a reason for upgrading the terms on that, along with some other methods to avert such things).

Do any of us want to be issuing bans for either of these things? No, never. Though; given how people think and the process of their minds. It only stands to reason that if we do not then they will simply continue to do such things and harm the playing environment for others who abide by the rules as best they are able to (non-withstanding people who hack / scam / etc).

Outside of having a fix for the issue as I am sure it is in the works (not the ninja loot x.x!!) if there are any suggestions that you guys want to make about Safe Zones, and such. Feel free, though for now the ones which are sealed / protected on Siel Server, will remain that way (Lumiel I'll see if I can get a chat with Vildiil and Sileria about the safe zones there). Just let me know for siel, and let the other two know for Lumiel. I am sure we can work something out.

Yes another Puddles WoT!!!!! <3 <3

 

Ninja looting should be a one strike policy permanent ban for any player who does it, and if its tempo ban strip hes items that should make them think twice before doing it

 

That was actually a good read. I do like the ideas that are in place for the safe zone and I have seen were the blockades are and do agree that's where they needs to be placed. Haven especially, there are an odd amount of zerges there. [I love how I've been seeing some people glitching through the barrier and argoing the monsters in there and try to kill them, then they run them through haven and get all the NPC's to fight it. Quite hilarious to watch if I do say so. Those poor NPC's don't know they can't win.] I really can't think of anything better. The only think I could think of would be to have a gm at every safe zone all the time, and that's just not possible.

I myself have done a few reports and I also hate knowing that they are going to get a ban or something, makes me feel like a dick, I even got called one in game and was told to stop acting like a gm but in all honesty someone has to do it. I'm just trying to make the game more fun for the little guys.

That's also the thing I hate about people. You guys bust you're asses out there trying to make the game a fun and inviting place, and all people do is complain complain complain. I'll admit, I get orniry at times. But to say you're not doing you're job in just flat out rude, and inconsiderate. People like that need a slap to the face.

Though it makes me have much more respect for GM's, for any GM or mod or anything. I makes me want to strive to become one in the distant future. Keep up the good work guys, and great idea about the towers.

@Nero
It would be a good idea to strip them of the items that they looted but at the same time it would be harder work and then they could complain that they took the wrong items. I don't know how you would to it. People just need to be careful about groups they join. Again its a think of people turning a blind eye to the rules and being dicks.

 

Maybe instead of upping the punishment onto something as menial as that, maybe just allow people to AoE in the safe zone. Who gives a crap. Why do we have safe zones anyway? This is a god damn high rate pvp server and I won't let children hide in a pointless zone that is only meant for content that has yet to be introduced. All this will do is ban players for no good reason.

 

thanks to whoever deleted my post! but someone already quoted so they can still see it !

GJ gamez hide the truth

 

That's an impossible mission, it will lower their ego.


If they were standing for a thing up so far, they will and should continue no matter how smart/stupid the thing is. What impression will be left on players if they one day say; You will be perma banned for an bug abuse, and other day; Go ahead, bug abuse.

There were many AoE Permanent bans, what will they do with them now?

 

whatever makes it less zergy for me is fine by me.

 

I'm actually thinking your post got error'd out, I don't see any remains of it o.o

 

It's about time for this to happen. If you can't get people to follow simple rules through giving them a fair amount of warnings or a short duration ban / jail, then make the punishment heavier than ever. I'm not saying it's right to make people obey the rules and regulations thru fear but in our case, it's the only practical solution left.

Like some people said already, regardless of the punishment given to any broken rule, may it be permanent ban or whatnot, there wouldn't be any problem if you'll just follow them.

 

The AM team doesn't have that much left, it's become inactive and reclusive with an admin out on leave. There is no point in trying to save face if you are banning players for silly things, it will just get rid of your player base and actually make MORE work for the AMs, not less.

 

True but srsly idc. I dont know why it was forbidden to use AoE in first place, that were safe zones my ass. No chat filter off so then it makes us enemies again.stupid is stupid but I honestly dont know whats the pourpose on server that has safe zones and no housing so i would say go ahead. In my opinion safe zones were only implemented so you dont need to leave your house full buffed and be aware of sins but like one aoe (maybe only kaisinel) could kill ya.

 

What if in there 1st offense automatically giving those offenders 2 months temp bans 2nd offense 4 months and 3rd offense Perma ban. i think players will never sought to abuse bugs in safe zone anymore. and all the rules and regulation of gamezaion must be announce this on ingame so that players who is non forumers will be aware of all those policy.

 

2 months for a first ofence does sound a bit steep, that would be like a perma ban for me. Though an extent could possibly work. Possibly 2 weeks for 1st 1 month for the second.

and also for people against safe zones what about those people who just want to sit there and have a fun time and aren't even attacking anyone, plus they did say they are working on getting the housing system working. So they could get rid of it for a while but if they are trying to fix the system then odiously it would be redundant. And also they have said they want it to look as much like retail as possible for people transitioning, safe zones are a part of retail so they are in here.

You could say it shouldn't be a spectical but why not. I like to watch pvp's because it helps me pick up on things and there is only so much on youtube. Just because it annoys you doesn't mean that other people don't like it, stop thinking about yourselves and think about people who aren't great at PVP or just don't like PVP that much.