Best Pvp Server!? Sure??

Hi guys, i'm playing on this server for six months, but i noticed that there are some things to be dealt with.

First: i play in lumiel server. This could be high rate server, but considering that drop has been lowered, this is no good for the players that play here... It's no correct for me.
I'm playing in high rate server, so i want hight drop! Else you give me a free ticket to change server and i go play in Siel! I think most people think this, so please talking about.

2: This is a pvp server, right? So why fortress siege is a very rare event? If players don't want to do siege is their problem, but i think that anyway at least once a day one fortress should be velnerable, to give the opportunity to those who want to play a different way of pvp. Also siege are importat to complete some quest! Usually when it happened siege i saw all the 4 fortress in inngison/gelkmaros vulnerable at the same times... Seriusly guys... What's this?! I saw people saying: "Go here and conquer this! FAST!" and other saying: "Defend here!". I think there aren't so much active players to defend and conquer at the same times 2 fortress.. It's a waste of time, because most of the times no one conquer nothing... What about try to get vulnerable only 1 fortress at a time? In this way peoples need to defend/conquer only 1 fortress and there is more fun and organization! It could be nice if at least once a day one fortress became vulnerable!

3: Okkey, this is a point that need to talking about. It's true that in this server you can make a lot of ap easily, so there are a lot of 1-2-3-4-5 star officer or higher. So i think that in this way guardian deity general transformation is out of discussion, because else all players will be transformed. But i always like to transform in, and i'd like to get a possiblity to do. So what about unlock the transformation only for the max rank? I think it will be nice if the army governor or commander can transform in the guardian deity general. The army governor/commander aren't so much in the server, so only very few players could transform in! And when you'll see one deity general you'll scream: "OH MY GOD! IS THE END!" There are a lot of zergs, so if the general will be located, a lot of players will come to kill him! It will be a nice to saw a battle as this!

4: times for the arena: WHAT THE HELL!? Seriusly guys... i have 10 tickets and i can't use it because i can't play during the hours in which the arena is open! So? It's not a good thing, don't you think too?
I'd like to take the arena object but i can't for this stupid reason... If you want to have restriction time for using arena is not a problem... simply set longer periods of time per day!

And now one quest: You unlocked the ABG set with ap? So now can i buy it with the ap and platinum medal?

For now is all, i think... Hope in your costruction answer.
Bye!

 

costruttivo

 

if you want abg buy it like everyone else.

1 and 2 i agree with you.

with 3 i don't . maybe there are a few governor/comander 's in each side but if they can diety they will be able to kill a zerg with 1 chain combo.

 

uh, i know, but it's a part of game, so why block it? if i have so much ap to became army governor, it's mean that i worked hard, so why don't ricompense this efforts?

 

that's for marketing. ur brain should realize that

 

1 is for take pve set.. it's usefull to make dungeon and get the weapon to fuse with the pvp... also is for selling items.. or get the skin!

2-3 better discuss another time... maybe they change idea.

 

Vasharti Weapons, Primal Spirit set is *ok*

 

Point 1 and 2, meh.. debatable.

The point 3, long ago was available, but was filled with abusers and other kind of scum. So it was taken out, No argument has ever been any different than the one you are using now, and the response has always been the same, no.

Point 4, I asked to a GM in game and he answered, because of abusers and other low life forms that prevent the rest from having nice stuff.

Its always the same.

 

So i suppose vasharti weapon fuses are useless? What should I fuse my acd bow with, another acd bow? lul. YOU can, but I just don't feel like waiting 30 days or paying $30 to get the secondary stats of just as good of a weapon for a fuse... (and pvp atk% doesn't stack just incase you thought acd+acd would be op since pve fuses are "not effective").

 

This server is designed to squeeze money out of you. This is how Carl chooses to run his network. It's unfair for us, but he has the playerbase which other private servers don't have, so he makes the rules here.

It would be a good idea to provide new players with a decent armor set upon gaining level sixty. This would give new players the chance they need to stick around, and it would be better for the population in the long run.

I don't think there's any real incentive to defend or attack forts right now. If you spend an hour defending, you only get a few medals, which are useless because nobody is going to spend six months fort raiding only to find out that medals can only be spent on one piece of a level 50-55 abyss armor.

I agree here.

Most players see Diety form as an invincible, overpowered killing buff - which is what it is.

However, if Diety transformations were possible for the max rank, it would make AP worth something. This way, Commander/Governor isn't just a showcase title; it would give some players who earned the right to transform the ability to abuse Diety when they see fit, assuming that the CD is over, of course. This adds variety to PvP and I like it.

It would also add more competition to higher ranks, which is good.

Perhaps this issue hasn't been brought to the developers' attention?

 

finally an answer more than constructive! thx vRisen ^^
nothing to add to you, except for the second point. I think that the sieges are a different way to do pvp... When i played in the infinite aion servers, the sieges were a good method to get a lot of ap for 2 reasons: killing boss gave you 10k ap (for infinite aion that was a lowrate this means very very much ap), and the massive pvp that players who attacking and defending make, give you another much ap!
another reason i think that the sieges are important is that: now pvp si quite static (pvp zones are: Heiron, Gelk, Inngi). Usually there are only some group asmos/elyos that go in the enemy region. I saw that when ely or asmos have a fortress in the enemy region, the pvp is more intense, cause the players have a landmark. Anyway, make siege in the abyss or tiamaranta cause there is a little more variety of scenarios, that is not bad.
Maybe the sieges will be able to make the pvp more varied.

Thx for the interest!

 

1) Not going to disagree about that, already discussed quite a number of times.

2) If Elyos takes anymore Abyss castles, they'll be giving Asmodians a free PvP damage buff. That's a no no. The last siege that happened on Lumiel was Asmodians taking back the fortress in Gelkmaros, which was pretty anti-climatic as it heavily decreased PvP activity in Gelkmaros. There is also no motivation for players to siege in Tiamantra because the Balaur will be able to reclaim the fortresses. Unfortunately this also means no access to Tiamantra Eye.

Then there's the fact where the medals you get rewarded with essentially holds little value. It's only useful for some players to get couple of gold 50-60 PvP gears but you'll need a lot of AP to obtain Abyss armours. Which mean you'll need decent armour to PvP to gather AP for PvP armours? Catch 22.

3) You do not want Deity to be accessible, ever. Trust me.
Deity was enabled on Crystal and it was a medium rate server. It ruined the small group PvP adapted by Crystal players. Idiots would just log on for 10mins, kill a bunch of people and log off for 2hrs and repeat. Expanding this to a greater scale, enabling Deity Transformations on Lumiel would mean you can kill 10+ and still run away to safety. Essentially making a one sided AP advantage as those with high AP will get more and those with low/mid AP will just keep losing it.

4) Arena hours should be extended. Not going to disagree with that either.

Despite the many wishes, this won't happen anytime soon, "greed is good...and legal".

 

Well. I am glad you've been playing for 6 months time.

Your choice of server, only impacts the amount of players that you are actually getting to play with. Lumiel has a smaller player base than Siel does. So, it might seem that instances aren't even being run that much there.

The drop rates? Those are influenced by Premium and or VIP Membership and they are quite high enough as it is. Although I can sympathize with the instance cooldown timers to a point. They were put in as a means to avoid exploitation.

The, issue of the PvE Sets being viable. A long time ago when I played my legits on Lumiel, and I was running around in Master Carved Dernium it was sufficiant to kill those in EAT / ABG gear. Now a days, Mastarius Set / Vellies are equivilant to MCD.

The current 'Best' which is subjective of course PvE Equipment in the game are Vasharti Weapons and Primal Sets. They WILL Get you by in PvP barring you have decent mastery of your characters class and if you play in a group a knowlegable group to play with.

Squeeze money out? Yes and No. I cannot say that donating does not make things much much easier, but, I can also say that it is possilbe to get GOOD PvP Gear by Voting much faster than it was before. Considering that ABG has been lowered in price.

The thought of giving players a PvP set upon Level 60. It is a nice idea, however. With the ease it is to level here? People would flood the market with them, and then a new player who doesn't even KNOW they would be getting such equipment at level 60 might end up saving vote credits for a little before leveling as they would be 'cheap' pvp sets. Then upon actually leveling to 60 get the set they had wanted. Where would the fun be in that? It would be much worse if someone decided to donate for such a trade.

Is it feasable to make changes to some things? Possible, but to do so in a way that won't effect the already odd trade economics, and previous donators, people who saved credits for as long as it took. It's a fine ballance. I assure you that even as a donator myself, I personally wouldn't care if ABG were sold in game for medals and AP. Yet that still leaves the actual aqusition of AP and PvP starting gear.

There are still options, such as APP which is good enough, it does take medals and AP however, the amounts aren't as substantial as it would be to get anything higher and make it a daugnting task for a new player.

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Topic 2! Sieges.

Alright, this has been beaten to death with a stick and then some. But, for humor I'll go into it. Oh and also I guess because this is such a dumb big wall of text as it is. Might as well.

Now, The forts go vunerable on a timer. If I remember we use the same siege timers as North America Official Servers. Those can be found Fortress Siege Times | Game Guide | Aion Online

As for, the issues with the fact that players are not actively seeking out fortress pvp and or capture / defence? That is something that we are unable to effect. It is up to the player base itself to decide it worth-while to do. Is it a fun experiance? Yes, that it is I agree with you there.

The whole, factor of the medals being spent on 50-55 armors? Well, that could solve one issue which is above. The 'How do I get gear' it also goes into player greed as well in not wanting to do something that might help another player who is unable to get the tippity top gear. Again, it would be something for the player base to figure out on itself.

Those armors and gears cost AP, and for some reason on a server that has a high AP gain rate to begin with, I don't see why it is so important. When I was a 'high' rank on Lumiel if I had the medals I would spend AP for people like it was water. There was always more. It might be something to think about for the larger and or better equipped legions on either server to start thinking about.

Go do forts, accumulate medals spend your AP on others. Heck, it could breed new life into the PvP As well? Just some thoughts on that aspect.

The motivation is not there because people don't see the need for medals, but yet here is a player who is asking why is it so hard to do this. I see plenty of 'There is no incentive' and or 'Theres no point' to doing this or that. Have any one of you saying it is simply worthless to do these things maybe thought to yourself. Oh, I have this much AP, and I have this many medals. How about I help someone who is new out and get them a set of PvP Gear?

I doubt that has crossed your mind before has it. So before you start thinking all high and mighty that it is pointless, stop thinking just of yourself and think how can I help the situation before saying such things are pointless.

Another issue is the Siege engine itself, where the Balaur DO take random fortresses from either faction (supposed to be based on influence ratios not sure if thats working correctly now or not). Yes you can lose access to a certain area. So what? Just go get it again? Might make for some interesting things.

The Catch 22 resolves itself if players decide to help each other for the betterment of their factions fighting abilities.

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Number 3!!!!

Diety. Er, this has been again beaten over the head so many times.

On one hand, it is a good way to help keep AP lower than it is currently. However there are other methods to do that and that would exceed the personal gain aspect of things (See reply above).

Is it possilbe to simply change the way the mechanic works and leave it for Commander and or Higher? I'm not sure, it might be; but it very well couldn't be and if we were to attempt that something bad could happen.

Most of the systems in the game are designed to function as NC Soft intended them. Now don't go spout about bug this bugged that, we know. They are getting worked on as well.

When, 3.0 was introduced. Diety form WAS Available for a very very limited time. It was fixed with in hours of the first report, reason being it is TO Strong; there are TO many people at the ranks that can use it across either shard.

What we witnessed in Inggison for example, no less than 20 diety form players across here nor there. Yes, it is a fun part of the game but; for that many diety to be in existance with what? The transform has a two hour cooldown, and in that time others can be in the form as well.

Either way, what was witnessed? Multiple dieties from one faction holding other faction players in a fort or camping obelisks. The list goes on and on, the main PvP Battle grounds are Ingg / Gelk. Where Diety can be used, it only benefits those who are in higher teir armor as they will litterally WALK though everything.

Now, a GROUP of players in Diety form? I could only imagine the decimation that for example Woof on Lumiel, Deja Vu on Siel would make happen if they could have an entire group...or make that a 12 person ALLIANCE in diety. Where is the fun for the lower tiered player there?

Aside that fact, you mention zergs. Yes. Sure players would SWARM him enticing more zergs to form and so on and so forth. Considering the complaints about zergs there are now? Do you really think it wise to implement something that would cause more of them to appear? Along with make it even more difficult for the PvE Geared players to be able to aquire the AP they would need if doing medal quests / forts as previously talked about.

It is a lovely aspect of the game where it can be done correctly, for Gamez? There is simply no place for it. The risk / reward isn't high enough to make it function as it should.

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Weee finally almost done! Hope you've enjoyed reading so far.

Onto the dastardly arenas.

Yes, they are limited times. And it is unfortunante that you are unable to play durring the times they are available. There are plenty of people in the same boat as you there. However, again. They are like that for actual reasons beyond just making things harder for some players.

As, Ddraig has said, and the same can be said about instances themselves. People would abuse the no cool downs. Always open, etc.

Now, where does that make it fair for someone else who is just starting the server? It really doesn't does it now, they again wouldn't have a fair opportunity to gain what they work for in that case. If someone has 10 tickets, or more as an example from the thread here. What would stop them from just continuing to go on and on and on, when someone who isn't as lucky to have as many tickets...well. Suffer at the fact that they are still unable to get gear they need / want?

It is illogical to assume that people wouldn't simply spam the arenas durring the entirty of its up time and then again, trade / sell those insignia for prices to which a new player might feel reasonable until they learn they are able to do so themselves more than not.

Would it be a good idea to extend the hours, maybe? Yes it might be, though how to make sure that it isn't exploited like many things in the past have been and things to come will be. Crucible instances for example, which were a mainstay of the reason we put the cooldown on instances in the first place.

People would, have, gotten millions of insigna though bugging the timers and instance itself, trading those off to people? Was it fair for people who didn't know about it? Nope. Would it be fair to arbitrairly extend arena hours? Maybe, then to make sure every single person would know they were extended. Much harder to acomplish than not.

There are tons of players, and only a very small fraction come to, register, and view the forums on a regular basis. This we do know and it is why we try to announce some things in game, however it isn't the easiest thing to make sure everyone knows about everything all the time.

Will this subject be brought up for discussion at some point in the future? Yes, I'll see to it. Though with no promises of any actions to be taken with it and or any of the aforementioned issues.


AND! Thats it.

Thank you for enjoying my wall of text.

 

Coming from Crystal, Balaurs recapturing claimed fortresses (almost immediately the next day in Inggison) was one of the main reasons it destroyed PvP and sieges on the server. I simply do not want to see that repeat itself on Lumiel. Sieges require great synergy from a large amount of players. Unfortunately Gamez lack this factor, it is easy to express in words on forums but finding people to think on the same wavelength ingame can be very difficult.

Yes, the catch22 can be solved but it has its limits since it goes back to the first point mentioned about instance drops. For example, each BT run means: 25% to get one of the desired armour type, 5 pieces for set; 10% for one of the desired weapon type; all of which considering they do even drop. As you can see, the maths isn't exactly in the players' favour to be able to devote n(X+Y+Z) amount of time to help.

 

And yet, who actually goes about to try to help? I know players who get full sets of Stormwing in one run. Your logic there is flawed. Considering the amount of players that do the instance on Lumiel to begin with is low. Crystal aside. It did give a reasonable reason here for players to go after them. But, again it comes down to the player base to be willing to help new players.

I'm sure on Crystal you guys went out of your way to help new people. So why all of a sudden since, and I am not saying this to be mean or rude, did it stop? What is the logic in that, your saying that the time and such what nots. Come on now, BT doesn't take that long. Sure it's a couple hours but instead of PvPing for those few hours why not help someone else and do something outside of zerg warfare which is constantly complained about.

Nothing can change, or will change non-withstanding credit items as they don't count here. With out the players helping each other in some cases. Where the sieges do require synergy why hasn't it been found? Or was it simply given up upon because it doesn't benefit yourselves anymore that your in the top tier gear? I think the latter there of course. After all. As you yourself said. Greed isn't Illegal.

So don't say things about time and what not to me considering when I have it I spent 6 - 10+ hours online on an AM character to help people. Do I do it because it benefits me? No. I do it because I want to do what I can to help the players of the server, it's just unfortunate that people who are experienced with a mid rate server and know the issues of gearing there have turned to be greedy and not willing to go and try to change some things that are currently going on in game, and that goes for the players who were on EITHER Shard before crystal merged into Lumiel.

Trust me, I wish there were some simply easy yea this etc. To solve issues, but as you can see? There simply isn't and there are solid reasonings behind such things.

Perhaps, if personal greed was over looked for two seconds, and maybe if people devoted some of their time to helping others, instead of complaining about Zerg this, Bah pvp that. Some of these things will resolve themselves?

Dunno just a thought.

 

^Either poor phrasing or it sounds like an attack on me, or even worse the Crystal population. If you're so helpful, one person can make a difference, where were you when Crystal haven't see a AM appear for a month straight. Let me guess, "People can't be everywhere at once", "My realm was only around Lumiel/Siel", or maybe "I was busy because I have a life". Whatever the reason, Crystal would have still closed, just shows willingness will not always make a difference.

I know people who've run 30+ rentus base and not get a single weapon in return that matched their respective class. While others have claimed like 5 same weapons in 10runs and are trading away their spares. We're taking about RNG here, simply calling my logic is flawed because something contradictory happened doesn't mean it'll always happen, you've got to look at the majority of Eternal gear drops in respective to who got the appropriate item. Do these people do the instance in seeking a benefit of personal returns? Yes. Did these people also contribute whether it was time, kindness or other factors? Yes. Do players always get something for their contribution? No.

That's quite a strong assumption that the crystal population has stopped helping people ever since we merge with Lumiel. If it was directing on the general population, perhaps you should reconsider to not antagonise every other member of the community as selfish. If this is directing towards me, funnily I've said 'people simply don't help each other' in the past. If you want to know, I do help people run Rentus Base/Elemental Forest/Argent Manor when requested provided I do not have prior commitments. I do not run BT anymore as I've entered this instance non stop ever since I've played Gamez network servers and needed a change of scenery. Just so you know, trade restrictions exist, so if you'll be willing to provide me with VIP, I'd gladly hand out gears to assist people.

I've mentioned it in my previous PM to you, your AM position/character/tag means nothing to me. Do not use authority in your argument, go google Argument from Authority Fallacy. There are people who spends time online who contributes to improve the gameplay of other players, I do not care you're AM or not. If you spent 6hrs without seeking a reward? Good job, give yourself a pat on the back. Did it benefit you? Yes, you did it because you want to, and in wanting to fulfill that desire, you've emotionally satisfied your initial want. To be motivated, there needs to be a incentive, this can be immaterial like devotion, loyalty, satisfaction. However unfortunate, the biggest drive for many people is material things. Even you agree greed will always exist, and you speak like there can be a great unison.

 

Actually, where was I with Crystal? I had nothing to do with Crystal which is that my fault? No, I simply didn't play there because I didn't have time for both servers. Where was I when Crystal didn't have an AM online for months? Mmm, Probably on either Lumiel or Siel being Active and there to help the community. Not really sure when your talking about in Crystals time line as I don't know it.

Yes, it is a luck based game and who is to say that changing anything with drop rates will even change that? Again were talking about RNG here right? You said it not me.

It's a fact for the general populace of either server currently. The vast majority is out for themselves and doesn't wish to bother helping another player, however. Like I said, already before hand? It would be neat if that changed and people put to use the extra medals, and AP they had. Then again they are greedy which won't change. Just look at the economy for trading for example there.

Good, your one of the few who does something for others! Thats great to hear. As for the fact that trade restrictions are in effect? Yes it is a pain in the rear, do the current item.paks even work for some of the players right now? No, they don't so that again makes it slightly harder. Is there anything that can even be done about that? No idea, I'm not the one to ask about that because well I have no idea even how to go about it in the first place.

Oh my, google is nice isn't it. A wonderful place. However, no one even said anything about Authority so I'm not quite sure why your bothering going there. That wasn't even part of this discussion and the fact that it seems you wish to turn this into some form of beleaguer personal attack aimed at me when I simply explained a few things as to why they were or were not rational and or able to be done.

Either way. I, put commitments aside sometimes to be able to be online and available to help players who need it as long as it is possible to do so, there are some things I am unable to skip out on. Such is the way it is. Though, you seem to be mus-understanding plenty of what was said, and given the fact that I haven't slept may or may not forgotten some words where they should have been and thought I put them there. Fact of it is I don't sleep much anymore for whatever stupid reason oh well.

There can be more unison than you would expect. Your talking as if it is impossible to exist.

 

mmm... y, the number 2 is true

No, abiliting it with normal rules it will be a suicide! I thought that you're able to set the object as you want, so only for army governor/commander and not lower..
Maybe for prevent the abuse of the transformation it will be set a coldown as 48 hours (always only for the 2 max rank governor/commander). I really like a thing like this.. see one deity is always a experience! ahaahah


For the other point i agree but i think that continuing to talking about is good

Thx for answer! ^^

 

Your welcome hunny. As I said, it might or might not be possible. Though it would still be a problem to a point even going that far with it.

Have fun and take care =)

 

We both on the same page yet we're at each others necks. Talk about unison. Not impossible but also not highly probable.

I've editted the Crystal intro portion since predictably that'll be the answers given. I started saying Crystal had its sieges ruined, lets not repeat ourselves and you've started pointing fingers at people. It seems I'm not the only one misunderstanding things.

I brought up RNG for a very good reason. It seems you've understood my point. I did say the odds is not in everyone's favour which means in need of more time spent. I have no intention of discussing drop rate changes.

I mentioned Authority because you've numerous mentioned "I've helped blah blah as AM character or as AMs I do this etc" That is flawed logic because you're using the 'AM' as reinforcement of your argument. A simple "I've helped people whenever I'm online" would be sufficient. Unfortunately I've studied this in the past so I'm very picky on it.

Since we both lack sleep and provided a pretty lengthy sidetracking, I would stop and head off.