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Balancing the melee vs spellcaster

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by Rhamiel, Dec 18, 2012.

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  1. Rhamiel

    Rhamiel Proficient

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    Alright so a couple of days ago i posted on the general discussion a question the question why are people gearing themselves to protect themselves only against spellcasters while melee classes are the same if not more dangerous, and i got pretty good answers for the logic.
    However none of the answers explained the situation as ideal and pretty much everyone agreed that the situation is at least quite beneficial if not extremely advantageous to the melee classes, so here are some ideas of mine to restore some sort of blanace, and my explanation for each idea.
    These ideas are not in order to make spellcasters OP, but just to restore some balance...

    1) Remove cap from evasion manastones - there is no cap for MR manastones so why should there be for evasion?
    without cap evasion would still be inferior to MR as it is less versatile (not resisting godstones and stuff) so why not give players the chance to stock themselves with evasion?

    2) add woc1/2 with spellcasting speed buff - again its just to balance the situation with melee classes, why should only they enjoy the woc1/2? an assassin with woc2 and 2 silence gs on each weapon is almost impossible for a spellcaster to kill as it is so i think adding woc1/2 with spellcasting is only fair.

    3) decrease the chances of silence gs - now i know theres seriously no chance for this but im still gonna suggest this as i think its right... Silence gs is the only one choosen and for a good reason... unlike blindness where the player can still hit but just with less chances silence prevents the enemy from any sort of attack and also affects melee classes with stuff like buffs... so why not make it fair? since silence is stronger than blindness why not decrease its chances (to something like 5%? theres already a gs there if u want to do it... just saying) While keeping the blindness at 10%!
    it makes it all balanced and so much better!!!

    So these are my suggestions and i hope some GMs look them over as i really thought over them and im 100% sure they would make the game SO MUCH BETTER!

    thank you in advance
     
  2. Nuttela

    Nuttela RetiredFromAion

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    1) nice one

    2)woc1-2 is helping the animation.. and its useful for sorcerers. if they put casting speed.. with your sin you will be dead in 2 seconds by storm strike and glacial
    it won't bring any balance, just QQing

    3) the time should be reduced.. 5 seconds for 10% godstone.. 3 seconds for 5% godstone (blind,silence)
     
  3. Smartik1

    Smartik1 Walking F.A.Q. Forum Legend

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    1. id probably try avoid another absolute defense set. btw even retail people complain about no cap for MR (and full MR clerics r virtually gods there)
    2. bad idea, we really have enough casting buffs as sorc. yea i consider most of the argument against sorc pretty lame but lets not go there since i know how it always ends, but really pvp is already crazy short as it is, why look for ways to make it even shorter? id be aiming in the other direction. alente also agreed WoC2 should never have been ingame to begin with but meh, brings carl money so thats out of the question
    3. id agree with that but people who paid for it would rage. again its 1 thing thats trying to absolutely cancel out a class and shouldnt have been there to begin with

    overall, aion should have been a skill and tactics based game, but right now its just looking for ways to completely neutralize people, either with absolute resist rate with MR, absolute defense with perma silence, or not even getting a chance with atk speeds to the cap

    @Nutella 5 seconds for 10% godstones changes nothing when people have atk speed to the cap, u still get hit with another silence over and over. id honestly remove the whole thing (blind too) but if nothing else, reducing the rates is better than duration
     
  4. vesiinabox

    vesiinabox Death be chillin bitches. Forum Legend

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    Sorcs and Spiritmasters and even clerics are definetly much more dangerous with woc2 than those that do not have it. Sorcs animations are stupid fast same as spiritmasters and cleric heals are much much faster.

    And all I ever see an MR cleric do in retail is run away they can't kill anything because they cant hit anyone. Clerics seem rather nerfed on retail to be honest.
     
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    reduce the rates,reduce duration

    everyone happy
     
  6. Smartik1

    Smartik1 Walking F.A.Q. Forum Legend

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    what server r u on lol, u know they have dmg stigmas and skills too xd the ones i saw on tiamat, they happily ran around tanking a guard, a cannon and 2 asmos, pwned them all and ran on
     
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    vesiinabox Death be chillin bitches. Forum Legend

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    With everyone rocking MR the number of people clerics can kill is limited just keep spamming storm of aion and hope you get lucky and it hits. But yes true near impossible to kill with none of those silence godstones hitting you for a minute straight.
     
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    Rome ソロモン・ヨアズ・アブラハム Forum Legend

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    remove 10% godstones and make it last 5 seconds for ****s sake :D
     
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    1) I actually would try to make another absolute defense shield because its the peoples right to choose it... i don't really see anyway that it would worsen the game as there already is an absolute defense option with MR, making it very unfair for spellcasters, to this suggestion i really dont see any drawbacks at all.

    2) i agree after thinking it over that woc1/2 might make sorcs OP but keep in mind that im trying to find a realistic solution... just saying cancel woc2 would be of course the ideal situation but it wont make carl money.
    but hundreds of people are going to buy woc2 in this xmass event and that will make them so OP!
    just asking for an option for sorcs even if its restricted to only woc1 spellcasting speed.

    3)while it would make some players angry i really believe they are the small percentage! so many people are complaining about the 10% OP of the godstones, and how its ruining the game and frankly theyre extremely right! to ignore them in my opinion is much worse!
    however this idea doesnt enrich (pun verb :) ) the possibility of carl getting money so i doubt it will be even discussed.

    however the idea of woc1/2 for spellcasting buff will make tons of money so it might, u never know!
     
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    seriously like 90% (well maybe 80% but definetly the majority) of players want 10% godstone gone completely...
    and since 10% only costs 1k credits only like 1-2% of ppl bought them with real cash...
    this works for the majority of players!
     
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    When u say spell-casting what class do you mean. Sorcs obviously don't need any help in that area neither do they need help in the MA area as they have Supplication of Focus and Magical Assist which you can hit anything even a full MR Cleric. SMs Can go Full MR and still Hit Full MR people so I don't think they need help with MA either. And one more thing nothing has been said about WOC2 being put in the event shop and many people believe it isn't being put in, but its all speculation just have to wait and see.
     
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    clearly u havent played a sorc or sm... im not trying to be offensive but it just looks like it.
    ye supplication of focus makes you able to attack everything but for an extremely short time... only 20 secs!
    which means if u cant kill the healer in only 20 secs ur screwed! keep in mind that magic assist only gives you 300 more MA not that much... if u have like 1k8 MA (which is standard for a sorc who already uses some MA slots) youll only get 2k1 MA and you wont be able to land a scratch on a full MR set
     
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    I have played the classes however only in ACD gear so I wouldn't know how people with other sets would fair however MR is a build players use to combat spell-casters If you want to hit them make an MA build you sacrifice power but so do they using MR build. It is balanced in this way why should you be able to hit a full MR person with a full MB set that doesn't make much sense to me.
     
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    removing the 10% silence wouldnt do much tbh unless they make it so the godstone proc's arent effected by MA or it will still be horrible regardless lol.
     
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    to balance melee vs casters we should remove malc's sin and breeze's LOL
     
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    You guyz talk to much and for nothing. Just go and use your brainzz for smth more useful than this shit.
    1 - remove the 10% gs.
    2 - remove woc lvl 2.
    3 - do not add more op gearz.
    4 - lol you really give a fack on what i say. You shouldn't nab.
     
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    remove all godstones from game and if want to kill someone u shouldnt rely on damn godstone lol...
    godstones are ruining gamez for a long time ago lol good thing u cant see this shit on retail
     
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    Problem is that sorc has to give up on many manastones slots which he needs badly only for 2 classes, kinda sucky for him while the MR built helps against like 5 classes, not what i would call balanced...

    and again to the people who just say completely cancel all the 10% gs and the woc2, try to realistic if the idea doesnt bring money or makes many people happy it wont get picked!
    and idea like woc1/2 for sorc would sell like crazy so maybe stuff like that?
    or any other ideas id really love to hear, really want to keep this discussion going so itll change the game!
     
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    although believe me that i too believe 10% really really should be canceled as it is ruining the game
     
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