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Good-bye cleric

Discussion in 'GamezAION General Discussion' started by vesiinabox, Jan 4, 2013.

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  1. vesiinabox

    vesiinabox Death be chillin bitches. Forum Legend

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    ok and vs endgear pvp you are doin as fine as you used to :p dont lie. Ofc group pvp is still fine for the most part and i never said that cleric sucked :p i said it was weaker. They got nerfed when dual manastones came out and when their toggles got fixed. Oh and broken blessed shield.
     
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    Everything is fine for me.
     
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    stop cheating on ppl ser.
     
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    Cleric are pretty OP when played well.
     
    jesseneth, Jan 4, 2013
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    Gugaaaaaaaaaaaa
     
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    Vyxen British Accent Master Forum Legend

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    agreed, every class, if played well, is OP, for example, im the nubbest sin ever
     
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    Vyxen British Accent Master Forum Legend

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    cant play anything else besides cleric....... I won't change my cleric for any class
     
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  8. Guga

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    Helloooooooooooo ;3
     
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    Bless shield is working correctly the heck you talking about?
     
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    We don't know.
     
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    I saw this coming some time ago,

    and as others said already, with dual ms the MR's Clerics domination its over.

    Time to adapt or quit.
     
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  12. Smartik1

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    ye lol check retail, MR clerics r crazy as hell at endgame xd resist just bout everything and heal up while u trigger all ur cooldowns. the fun part bout clerics is ur hp goes up all the time but theirs doesnt xd so u outlast them

    actually u have no idea what ncsoft is planning xd look what i found in their files a while ago
    Code:
      <string>
    <id>713206</id>
    <name>STR_MATTER_OPTION_R_CRITICAL_10A_DESC</name>
    <body>Increases Crit Strike by 33 points when socketed. Activate the Manastone by double-clicking or right-clicking it, and then select the item to socket.</body>
  </string>
  <string>
    <id>713207</id>
    <name>STR_MATTER_OPTION_R_PHYSICALATTACK_10A_DESC</name>
    <body>Increases Attack by 9 points when socketed. Activate the Manastone by double-clicking or right-clicking it, and then select the item to socket.</body>
  </string>
     
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  13. Guille

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    What are you talking about? They can be now MR build and still attack you (Macc+MR/MR+16).

    They're still OP >_>
     
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    yup xd well depends, MR and magical classes kinda cancel out each others dual stone bonuses. melee r the ones who get the most out of it with atk + crit stones. since their dmging power goes up a lot and MR doesnt block them, they can drop clerics easier than before
     
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    Atk/crit, crit/attack, crit/acc, attack/acc, it's a fest of stats lol
     
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    first time i see something about

    cleric with full mr blocking attacks

    the only reason people go mr is to resist silence and survive debuffs from new ungeared players that zerg.

    play cleric with mboost/m.acc and u will see how nice it is
     
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    full MR clerics have like 90% resist rate for most mage classes on retail xd MR is hard to get but when u get it its worth it

    u also resist most stuns with that so yea helps tons
     
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    I want. I seriously do want.
     
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  20. Alente

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    Huh, this is a weird thread.

    I do.

    Blessed Shield isn't broken though I know the update you're referring to and you're not the first Cleric to mention it. The Healing % Boost from Blessed Shield used to compound ontop of the boost gained from Benevolence and, far more importantly, the Healing passive traits which was incorrect logic. It's meant to be an additive boost and it is now - yes that results in slightly less OP heals than it used to but the skill is still more than sufficient for some hard healing.

    It is worth noting though that MAcc/MR stones enmasse are impractical for gaining a sufficient amount of MR to use against anything but zerglings and even that much is debatable. Yes they can be used to supplement an otherwise MR-slotted build with some extra accuracy however that's mostly done to counteract the MR other classes are gaining from dual-manastones. I've started some theorycrafting on it though no one really seems to care about inconvenient things like numbers however the trend so far hasn't been a massively positive one.

    MBoost builds for Clerics are debatable. The damage gains you get from a full MB/MA socket are certainly noticable but then you open yourself up to being silenced/stunned/feared by pretty much everyone and their mother. For a Class whose primary role is to provide a steadfast support beacon I would call that a pretty niche build. It's certainly viable for doing hit and runs solo, or lets be honest here for a second - running in zergs, however if you have a couple friends to look after or intend to make a stand you're going to find your lifespan horribly short. The same thinking applies to Staff builds really, you can certainly switch into staff for attacks if you're careful but if you get caught in a KD without a shield well.. best hope the person hitting you is in PvE gear.

    [HR][/HR]

    To answer this thread though the OP is certainly correct that defensive Clerics did receive some passive nerfs in 3.0 and even more in 3.5/7. The class hasn't been made weaker by any means - it's just that other classes have been made more viable in primarily offensive roles. Dual manastones would be the perfect example of that trend as all Dual stones have an offensive stat as a primary and the tradeoff for getting that secondary stat (half of a primary stone at that level) is virtually nonexistant. Fully slotted MR clerics have gotten weaken compared to other builds/classes running offensive builds - that is a fact.

    Is the class unplayable? No - not by any means. It's still perfectly playable but you're going to need to be a lot more careful especially when on the defense. I can speak from experience that running into a HAC Glad with a MA/MR + Crit/MR running a L60 extendable is not a pleasant experience. Kiting is the only way to survive against well-geared Glads in particular who know their class. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily.
     
    Alente, Jan 4, 2013
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