Kinda curious about the weakening of the sorcerers sleep spells

So my question is why are the sorc sleep spells unaffected by spell cast speed bonuses (from either the weapon or from buffs)...
meaning that a sleep skills that takes 2 seconds to cast will always take 2 seconds no matter what and i find that kinda weird.
when i asked other players about it they cried that sorc would be totally OP if it had instant sleep or really fast casted sleep, however nobody really remembers that rangers have instant sleep or that the sm class even has instant fear...
also why are the sleep spells lasting for such a short amount? i get that 20 secs could be overpowered but from what i remember the sleep skill should affect another player for 8 seconds, however in pvp sometimes i get the feeling that it lasts for something like 4-5 seconds, and this is while the SM's sleep spell (a skill which i really dont think a sm shouldve ever gotten since its pretty much the trademark of sorc) lasts for the full 20 secs.
well this ends my QQing but can anyone out there can explain to me why is the sorc the one to get the short end of the stick in this sleep skills area?

 

well i understand the casting time part coz i remember the old days xd being sorc was awesome coz of a crapload of CC that were pretty much instant with casting buffs so u could CC them from start to end. its kinda a bit more challenging this way. dont think u really need crazy duration since dmg breaks CC anyway. its enough to put a delay skill on and get back to attacking. dont think its a good idea to give crazy time to overbuff with the crapload of buffs we have.

but yea id agree its a lot more deadly on SM (who have plenty of fears to begin which dont even break with damage). if a SM hits u with several DoTs and sleeps u, u basically sit there taking dmg for the full duration xd so yea long sleep is dangerous there

 

According to most of the Threads regarding this Subject from Retail Aion, "Hand of Torpor" (SM's Sleep) is NOT supposed to last that long. It should work just like the Sorcerers' Sleeps do. It's full Duration (20s or w/e it is) is only supposed to be working on Monsters. But c'mon.. this is Gamez. As long as you play here, you have the right to blame nobody but yourself.

EDIT: If he's talking about Spirit Hypnosis, then yes, it lasts for like 18s on Retail too as far as I know.EDIT2: I heard it should also require an Armor Spirit Buff I heard, not sure if it does here in Gamez. Oh and if the Pets do NOT have the same M.Acc their Master does/if the Spell is not a 100% Success Change one, it shouldn't be an Issue for MR Users I guess.

 

i havent played here for probably over a year now xd but i still like some sort of fairness. CC is a skill category and they should behave the same. tbh SM already have the strongest CC of them all so yea, their sleep should behave just like everybody elses and have a short pvp duration

 

alright so firstly while i agree that sorcs doesnt really need the long 20 secs duration in 1 vs 1 pvp cuz dmg breaks sleep you cant deny the fact that a long sleep would be extremely helpful in group pvps, you could sleep 1 or 2 players for 20 seconds making a sorcerer life much easier when fighting groups but i agree with you that all sleeps should be restricted to 8 seconds, i dont agree that a sorc sleep skills will be unaffected by cast buffs...
it just seems silly to me that the class which specializes in sleep should have the least effective one (longer cast time than the instant sleep of ranger and lesser duration than SM) many times in pvp i gotta waste sleep storm cuz of the short cast time and cuz of the short duration of sleep if i wanna sleep the target again with either sleep or curse of roots i gotta do it extremely quickly cuz of the long casting duration... just kinda annoys me and i dont see the point to it

 

funny thing as u pointed out, we do have short cast time sleeps, we also have many other CC skills. what fairness would there be if u could insta sleep people at the beginning of a fight, buff up like 6 short duration crazy buffs + 2 delay skills and then pwn him on the spot xd the class is perfectly playable as it is

besides, sorc arent a support class to just CC, they r heavy nukers. long CC would really unbalance group pvp (imagine if u aoe sleep the full party, then keep half of them CCed for 20 secs. would really be like 6 on 3 at best)

 

I never said sorc is an unplayable class, sorc is an amazing class and also my fave one but while i agree with you that full 20 secs sleep would be OP i have no idea why would they reduce its length to 4-5 secs instead of the retail 8 secs... i dunno maybe its a bug that should be fixed.
also i dont think theres another class that has a skill which is unaffected by cast speed buffs... and as i said above being able to instant sleep other classes wont be OP, firstly it wont be instant sleep it would just be faster and ranger and SM already have instant sleep/fear... and if i remember correctly the ranger sleep spell is even longer than a sorcerer's about 12 secs if i remember correctly.
i really dont think it would be so awful if the sorcerer sleep was as fast as the rest of his skills

 

the sleep is instant if u consider how much cast time we r able to get (literally hitting the hard cap of 20% of the time it normally takes, in the past it was literally instant). curse of roots 1.5 secs * 0.2 = 0.3 seconds. my ping here is 450 so on me its more than instant xd the server wont even register i clicked a skill in the time u hit me with it.

btw again, u cant compare this to other classes. if it was ur way, they would be pretty much permanently CCed. they cant avoid the first one, u land 2 delays on them + whatever else u choose and by the time they wake up u hit them with another CC. we have plenty of them. trust me lol i used to do this when sleep was affected by cast time xd they never stood a chance. the only problem was SM coz of perma fear from start to end, which i really dislike and now ud have sorc doing the same thing

 

Hand of Torpor on sm lasts like 3 seconds in pvp....Now if u mean spirit hypnosis yes..that is an awsome skill ...I can cast all debuffs, resummon a pet and start attacking all before that sleep ends its like 16-17 seconds...

Sms are the CCers in the game and we can *******ly CC someone when skills are timed correctly

Sorcs job is to nuke people more than it is to CC someone...although with dispel sms are getting pretty good at that too.

 

Having Spirit Hypnosis only happens on Siel. Literally no one gets that skill ever, even on retail for SMs on PvE build.

 

I'm glad sorc sleep skills aren't instant otherwise its way to OP for example you could instant sleep some one do 1 nuke quickly instant sleep them and do nuke again and sleep then nuke... so on sorc got like 3-4 sleeps skills if I'm not mistaking and 1 of those sleep skills are uh I think instant sleep skill from remove shock chain skill.

Fear isn't really a problem expect the instant fear but it has a 5min cd. but the other casting fear (fear shiek and the other 1) can take like 3-5 seconds depending on your gear etc and if your good at your class you can silence/stun or even stumble them before they cast fear.

 

Well i dont think making sleep spells almost instant would be horrible, nuking someone while hes slept is not very smart since all of his elemental defenses are way up, also the thing which bothers me more as i said earlier is that the sleep duration is reduced to 4-5 secs instead of the retail 8 seconds... i wish all the sleep durations would be fixed that way all the sorc's sleeps would be full 8 secs and the sm sleep would be as well and stop being 18 secs

 

a sorc. *****ing about being UNDERpowered.probably Siel lolwat ?

 

Dude read the whole conversation before commenting, as i said before sorc is by no means underpowered its an amazing class but theres no reason to decrease the sleep duration to 5 secs when the duration in retail is 8 secs...