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How to win Arguments – Dos, Don’ts and Sneaky Tactics

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  1. brucejje

    brucejje Field of chaos

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    There is not much point in having brilliant ideas if we cannot persuade people of their value. Persuasive debaters can win arguments using the force of their reason and by the skillful deployment of many handy techniques. Here are some general dos and don’ts to help you win arguments together with some sneaky tactics to be aware of.

    [h=2]Do:[/h]
    1. Stay calm. Even if you get passionate about your point you must stay cool and in command of your emotions. If you lose your temper – you lose.
    2. Use facts as evidence for your position. Facts are hard to refute so gather some pertinent data before the argument starts. Surveys, statistics, quotes from relevant people and results are useful arguments to deploy in support of your case.
    3. Ask questions. If you can ask the right questions you can stay in control of the discussion and make your opponent scramble for answers. You can ask questions that challenge his point, ‘What evidence do you have for that claim?’ You can ask hypothetical questions that extrapolate a trend and give your opponent a difficulty, ‘What would happen if every nation did that?’ Another useful type of question is one that calmly provokes your foe, ‘What is about this that makes you so angry?’
    4. Use logic. Show how one idea follows another. Build your case and use logic to undermine your opponent.
    5. Appeal to higher values. As well as logic you can use a little emotion by appealing to worthy motives that are hard to disagree with, ‘Shouldn’t we all be working to make the world better and safer for our children?’
    6. Listen carefully. Many people are so focused on what they are going to say that they ignore their opponent and assume his arguments. It is better to listen carefully. You will observe weaknesses and flaws in his position and sometimes you will hear something new and informative!
    7. Be prepared to concede a good point. Don’t argue every point for the sake of it. If your adversary makes a valid point then agree but outweigh it with a different argument. This makes you looked reasonable. ‘I agree with you that prison does not reform prisoners. That is generally true but prison still acts effectively as a deterrent and a punishment.’
    8. Study your opponent. Know their strengths, weaknesses, beliefs and values. You can appeal to their higher values. You can exploit their weaknesses by turning their arguments back on them.
    9. Look for a win-win. Be open-minded to a compromise position that accommodates your main points and some of your opponent’s. You cannot both win in a boxing match but you can both win in a negotiation.
    [h=2]Don’t:[/h]
    1. Get personal. Direct attacks on your opponent’s lifestyle, integrity or honesty should be avoided. Attack the issue not the person. If the other party attacks you then you can take the high ground e.g.’ I am surprised at you making personal attacks like that. I think it would be better if we stuck to the main issue here rather than maligning people.’
    2. Get distracted. Your opponent may try to throw you off the scent by introducing new and extraneous themes. You must be firm. ‘That is an entirely different issue which I am happy to discuss later. For the moment let’s deal with the major issue at hand.’
    3. Water down your strong arguments with weak ones. If you have three strong points and two weaker ones then it is probably best to just focus on the strong. Make your points convincingly and ask for agreement. If you carry on and use the weaker arguments then your opponent can rebut them and make your overall case look weaker.
    [h=2]Low, sneaky ways that some people use to win arguments:[/h]
    1. Use punchy one-liners. You can sometimes throw your opponent out of his stride by interjecting a confident, concise cliché. Here are some good ones:
      • That begs the question.
      • That is beside the point.
      • You’re being defensive.
      • Don’t compare apples and oranges.
      • What are your parameters?
    2. Ridicule and humiliate your opponent. This can be very effective in front of an audience but will never win over the opponent himself.
    3. Deliberately provoke your adversary. Find something that makes them angry and keep wheedling away on this point until they lose their temper and so the argument.
    4. Distract. Throw in diversions which deflect the other person from their main point.
    5. Exaggerate your opponent’s position. Take it way beyond its intended level and then show how ridiculous and unreasonable the exaggerated position is.
    6. Contradict confidently. Vigorously denounce each of your opponent’s arguments as fallacious but just select one or two that you can defeat to prove the point. Then assume that you have won.
    Remember that an argument between two people is very different from a debate in front of an audience. In the first you are trying to win over the other person so look for ways of building consensus and do not be belligerent in making your points. In front of an audience you can use all sorts of theatrical and rhetorical devices to bolster your case and belittle your adversary. In these circumstances humour is a highly effective tool so prepare some clever lines in advance.




    Stole this from the internet, because a lot of people new to forums seem to be able to learn a few things from this.
    Including me i even learned a few things.

    I hope this improved the arguments by only a little marginal 1%.

    Have a nice day!
     
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  2. vesiinabox

    vesiinabox Death be chillin bitches. Forum Legend

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    Or just be female ...then you dont even have to make sence.

    =3.
     
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  3. brucejje

    brucejje Field of chaos

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    Hahaha i like that. Might have to do a gender transfer :p
     
  4. Smartik1

    Smartik1 Walking F.A.Q. Forum Legend

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    every argument on this forum apparently. people dont seem to care about facts or logic xd they just trash talk imaginary personal "facts" they come up with about you. apparently thats supposed to make their argument more valid somehow.
     
  5. Pedrobehr

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    Woah, thanks Pal! I'm going to argue with everyone now and WIN!
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  6. Nuttela

    Nuttela RetiredFromAion

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    u dont even know how to argue
     
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  7. Smartik1

    Smartik1 Walking F.A.Q. Forum Legend

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    the thing is people who r successful by "winning the crowd" and bashing a person personally arent gonna stop coz of this. reading a guide doesnt magically get the facts on their side and they dont particularly care about facts when their way works
     
  8. Ddraig

    Ddraig Steel of Destiny

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    What about being indifferent?

    I still wonder why arguing with a stranger should lead to personal attack, or to a heated discussion, or to a matter of win or lose the argument... I mean it is not relevant.
    If is a school or work issue just be logical, that people are only interested in the result.
    If its a situation with family, or people that is relevant to you then usually the most cool headed will always prevail, and honestly since I dont want to fight, I rather reach a compromise, is healthy.
     
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  9. Smartik1

    Smartik1 Walking F.A.Q. Forum Legend

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    yup, pretty much xd
     
  10. brucejje

    brucejje Field of chaos

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    I just got tired of all the useless bashing/arguing in the tera section.
    This is how 90% of the threads go:

    1. When does X bug or feature gets released/fixed. (90 other people made a topic about this).
    2. Person 1. says OP should search the forum.
    3. OP tells him to go elsewhere and touch his genitalia.
    4. Person 2. says OP is a fag.
    5. OP says he is not a fag.
    6. Person 3. bashes about everyone making topics like this.
    7. OP is called a fag again.
    8. Older members start to come in on the topic and call the newfags fags
    9. Shit just got out of hand, people claiming facts, people getting personal.
    10. People start to realise this thread got out of hand and point out the obvious.
    11. Thread dies.
    12. 1-3 days later it all starts again.
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    What a lovely community.

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    I really don't have anything against a flame-war, but this is just going FULL retard without breaks.
    People thinking they won an useless argument on the internet, keep on going and make themselves look like complete idiots.

    And yes i am not trying to act holy, i can go full-retard as well.
    But come on, after like 480 post's shit got boring.
     
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  11. Guga

    Guga Master Member Forum Legend

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    What the hell is this.
     
  12. Ddraig

    Ddraig Steel of Destiny

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    You are allowing that something that does not factor in your life to get the better of you. It does really matter that retards go full retard? Are they part of your waking life in a way that can influence your day? I guess the answer to both of those is no. Whether is funny or boring it should stay in the virtual room of gamez and switch it off when you close the tab. If you cant, then close the browser and go do something that involves air and sun... I have heard stories that its called "The analogue reality".
     
  13. dontlikepvp

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    are u using these ?is it working for u?did u win all the argument?


    if yes,






















































    *clap*
     
  14. Guga

    Guga Master Member Forum Legend

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    I have won most of my arguments by *****ing on them and making them shut the hell up.
     
  15. regiix3

    regiix3 yeah Forum Legend

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    Or you could use the advanced section of the english vocabulary.

    Definitely is a big slap in the face for yoloswag kiddos.
     
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  16. brucejje

    brucejje Field of chaos

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    Yup i can't actually agree more on this.

    *faps*
     
  17. dontlikepvp

    dontlikepvp Gungnirs

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    oh well.................
     
  18. Llama

    Llama The Drama Llama Forum Legend

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    "stfu noob weak bobo" is enough, short and effective.
     
  19. Vildiil

    Vildiil Hit em with a 100 round clip Forum Legend

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    This won the thread why are we still posting
     
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    This thread is funny Looool
     

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