FFA skills abuse?

not op at all, sms need 150k shield to survive right? because people with full stigma can just silence sms just like cherro said

 

when fighting multiple opponents yes you can get silence locked if your not im mr it happens a lot but 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 no you wont need it 1 v 4 / 5 /6 yea sure. Especially now that youve added yet another silence to the game and there are tons of people playing them ...cough aethertechs

 

but yea, spirit heals wont help you with dying while being silence locked as u cant use the heals when ur silenced..
yea u probably need it to face 6 people but honestly i don't think any class is meant to facetank 6 people alone and wipe them all lool.
Anyway, I hope the higher-ups see this thread and realize the balance breaking things.. not just the heals (I feel like this thread is too focused on spirit heals), but also the map abuse by sins, chanters, and sorcs

 

Do u listen to urselves ? A couple of people that play mostly on glads and templars whose names I see every 30 mins because they won some survival event SUGGESTING removing other classes’ skill . Ok then I suggest removing glads and temp buffs that make those classes OP, sorcs’ AOE as well cuz they abuse it. Obviously the title of the thread should be changed cuz its not about bug abusing it’s about “Make the other classes weaker so I can win every single event”. Its simple – There are bugs and there are players that abuse them that HAVE TO BE PUNISHED. I remember some report about arena abusing when the abuser got banned and the reporter got banned as well cuz he fought back before the arena starts. Now its not about insignias ( worthless thingies that u gain even if u lose) BUT credits! How many people did u see getting banned for abusing survival event?

 

regardless of whether or not you think sm using something like spirit sub is op or not ...nothing compares to sins being able to wind-walk, shadowalk, hide 2 until you have no remove shock or until they can 1 hit kill you.

 

You're forgetting the part where after you go through both stone skins and the 3k shield the sm will instafear you, instacast earth spirit, put up bodyguard and go afk....there goes another 40-60k dmg...

 

this is what happens when you have all the stigmas, they were implemented for a reason; balance.

 

You obviously didn't read suho's post when he explained how op it really is.

 

You're retarded. Glad is the easiest class to beat with everything else, ain't my fault that every sorc sleeps me, starts casting balaur seeker and then wonders why i didn't die in 1 hit. There are normal skills that can be countered and then there are insanely op skills.

UD too strong? Remove it or kite the glad.
Ankle Snare op cause unpottable? Remove it with an immobilization-removal skill...something that everyone and his dog seem to have as of 4.0
Sin buff stacking op ? Run for 2 seconds, half the buffs have expired, proceed to kill squish sin.
Sin hide op? Use advanced hide-detection..oh wait only sins and rangers have that, just wait till your buffs expire and die.
Fearlocking op ? Use focused evasion.....unless you're a glad, temp, chanter, cleric, bard, in which case - better luck next time


Sm skill combinations allow up to a 250k damage shield if chained correctly. Now tell me you can do 270k damage on a single person while being fearlocked, bound, silenced and attacked by 4 people at the same time. Perfectly balanced right? I mean cmon, everyone can do that right?

@the thread itself:
-shadow walk - that's how sin's supposed to be played, as an annoying, skillless ganker that waits for people's buffs to run out. Sucks, right?
-sms - vesii has a point, they get instantly gangbanged, nothing to worry bout.


in free ffa this isn't a problem but in paid survival it's unfair that one class can just sit there and wait for everyone to die, pop out of hide with all their buffs (which of course they didn't waste on other people) and win. Give erryone there advanced hide detect and problem's solved.


For now here's a tip - all gamez sins are terrible, they overbuff themselves out of hide while sitting in place, giving you about 3-4 seconds to react.

Glad - pop ud
Temp - pop ud after running around in stubborn spirit
Sin - you don't get to fight eachother since you're both in hide, in case you're not - FE and aethertwisting
Ranger - FE, sleep trap > shit blind combo
Sorc - illusion
Sm - contract of resistance (for the stun rune) - instafear > shit fear combo > recieve ap
Songweaver - 5k winter shield
gunslinger - FE equivalent
aethertech - pop the damage reduction + mana-wintry
Chanter - protective ward/10min shield
cleric - immortal shroud

GG, git gud scrubs

 

Your suggestions may have a point or not, but you need to consider that our battlegrounds are custom features and that we have got limits to what we can do as well.
Removing specific skills from specific classes in particular battlegrounds is not easy as it seems.

As for the issue with assassins staying in hide during the whole round, we will try to find a solution for the issue, with out having to disadvantage the class.

 

Also make sure you disable entry to the scumbag gunslingers from joining the events, thanks

 

I have a problem with this thread.

And is the ones participating.
Honestly, yes, some classes are more prone to be abused than others simply because mechanics and full stigma server. There is not much to add there.

Aion is imbalanced as we all know, since a good, good while. No surprises there.
The battleground may have Geodata issues since most of those stages weren't though as PVP fields, and may have issues that can be abused. I do not remember a single update without that, is something to deal with all the time.

But all the people that complain of a class or whatever are people with tons of AP that whenever I see that a battleground pops up, they are the ones to win 90% of every time, that in 1vs1 only few people can keep up with them. And, with all due respect, egos that can easily go to the other half of Atreia through the Abyss. Get real people, you sincerely have to win 100% of the time? That when another class mechanic is used, because sincerely I do hate fear so much that the only time I tried an SM I felt like dirt that water couldn't wash over me, but the darn skill is there to be used. I mean why other reason is there for? Is part of the damn arsenal. Why do people have to play as you would like it? That is nonsense!

So, I don't really get the fuss over all this sh1t, I am sure you people have the skill to cope with the damn situation. Stop whining.

 

I did read it, very carefully actually! And u know what it is like? Blablabla! Sms are annoying opponents, aren’t they? Let’s eliminate them! Who cares about cheaters and abusers as long as u gain credits just like that, aint I right?

Yeah I am retarded but u do sound like a brain surgeon , Im amazed. I didn’t know glads were so weak omg , why do people keep playing on that class…what a mystery ! U play a glad, huh? Insanely op skills.. u said that not me.

U forget one simple thing , I guess intentionally. U don’t just sit, do nothing and watch, right? U can always silence, stun, paralyze, stumble the sm and before he can heal his spirit, it will be dead and good bye Spirit sub!

 

Ah c'mon... all the ones complaining are the top ranked filled with AP that almost none can deal with in one on one.

I am sure you have the skill to cope with the problem. Stop whining.

 

From my point of view, the shadow walk and hide 2 are the same, regardless of the cool down. Because why? The cool down is not sensitive when you're not engaging in battle, that means 1 min cool down will be exactly 1 min in hiding mode.

Secondly, assassin is a class that meant to kill you behind your back, it was never invented to fight you face to face. Why did ncsoft implemented Shadow Illusion - This 4.0 skill goes in advance hide mode and unaffected by damage or aoe's. Sin is soft and squishy. you get scramble in an event of 5 people with three glads...there goes your 1 day of voting, even if you're on Arbiter gear.

Thirdly, they've made an EYE detection for the two last players standing for one purpose. If the sin is hiding until the end, you get one chance to take them down. You have to prove you're deserve for the credits. Not to forget to mention, there are sin's watching other sin's as well. It's not totally unbalanced. I was in an event with 20 people yesterday, I'm a sin and I get killed by a sin as well, and that sin got taken care of by other sin's. So my advice is..save your buffs and play smart.

Last but not least, all class have pros/cons..just remember that, besides all the legit issues. The teleport issue is a real issue that needs to be fixed, now that is real abusing, while other events are going on..we can't wait forever in one.

 

Despite the title this isn't about cheaters and abusers, just lame skills.

People play it cause it's the easiest class to learn. Mystery solved. The "insanely op skills" that >>>I<<< said, not you, were the ones that people made this thread about, not crappy ud that does nothing as of 3.0

And you forget that you WILL be FORCED to just sit, do nothing and watch...for about 30 seconds..in fear...within less than 3 seconds of attacking the sm in question.
You can't stun or stumble anyone in a shield that absorbs 100% damage. L2aion.

The cooldown IS the problem, mechanically they are the same, but Hide II is UP TO 1 minute, meaning it's not always gonna last that long. Shadow walk is 5 minute duration, 3minute cooldown and can be used for permanent hide.

The 2man detection is bullshit since the person who survived till then has to have killed the 3rd person standing...with cooldowns...that he won't be able to use vs the sin. You get the point.
And yes, you have to prove that you deserve the credits. By surviving everyone else who knows you're there and can attack you at any time, not by sitting in a corner for 4 minutes and killing a walking 5k hp dummy with no self-defence.

Yeah why not ? Some of us have played the game (not just the server) for over a year, why should we get killed by someone who joined a week ago and is running around in app gear?

Give me break power, fear shriek and/or shadow walk and i'll be quiet as a grave.

 

I would suggest to delete these battlegrounds or at least a few of them since the PVP was by far better before(i'm not talking about zergs here) in groups (with a pro group could dominate a zerg) and stuff like that. Some battlegrounds like 1vs1 are nice but MixFight is....shit , or more like the people are shitty since they are teaming and roaming together in zerg which is fucked up...

On:Spirit sub is really overpowered but since Siel is an "non-stigma" server and all classes get all their skills , all classes should lose a good skill if the SM loses his Spirit sub.

 

grouping in mix gives you a disadvantage from the pvp atk/def buff that you'd normally get if you apply solo..teaming up outside of group is another issue tho.

Sub is one of the first stigmas you equip on an sm, just like UD for temps and glads.

 

if you didnt like the grouping in MixFight you can go to FFA where grouping is not allowed inside.

 

I guess you don't play sin so I don't blame you, when I said SENSITIVE meaning if you are recently in battle mode and went into hide 2, YES the cool down will be up to 1 minute(45s, 40s, sometimes 35s) BUT if you were standing afk, it will be exactly 60 seconds count down until the next hide is available. My point is this is the full skills server, all ya'll suggestions about removing skills are just invalid lol.

Play smart, do some aoe's every now and then..in an event of 5 players, the battle ground is not that big. If it's 20 players and up..then you gotta take your chances, nothing plays out the way you want it. Secondly, save some buffs, any events with 5 players and up, you should've some skills fully regen, for example for gladdies, UD and 2wind are very op and with the cd of 3 mins, save them, same for other classes..because there will always be a sin watching. And sin's do have to to rebuff and go back in hide every 4 min for poisons..etc. Once in shadow walk, they can only buff up to three buffs, it's not likely that they can go full buffs on you. Everything have advantages and disadvantages.