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  1. andrik

    andrik New Member

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    I just read it on retail Aion forum, is this have any sense ?

    """ My life. My choice. My game.

    Hello dear Aion developers, assistants, players and all people who take part in this great project

    After visiting ted.com, I got idea and as this says – ideas worth spreading.

    I'm user of Aion game and I want to tell you the issue, which I’m facing. English is not my main language, so I'm suing Google translate in some case, please, try to understand me. Important: I’m not agent of any company, I’m not interested in money (or some kind of rewarding), I’m average man. So the thought, I'm going to tell is very wide and difficult, but it contains of simple things.

    First, I'm old Aion player, have 3 years of experience. I tried different servers (retail and private), all classes, skills, tactics , all maps, PvP and PvE areas, all social aspects, etc. At the moment I left playing by the several reasons, which I’ll tell below.

    Second, I make the conclusion - the game is not what i want, but what I don’t want. Now I'll explain. Look this: (Aion Live Action Trailer) and tell me what is it about ? It is about another world, not about game ( like WoW – just a game ). And when you enter Aion, you just see the common game ( like Wow). What I'm trying to say, it's time now, for qualitative changes, mean, make it (Aion) like the another world, not the another game.

    Third: how I see this changes ? To understand me, let’s note few basic simple facts, thinks:

    1) When you going to market, do you buying the products you like or not like/ need ? Do you making choice between them ?

    The products you like/need. Yes, you making choice.

    2) Do you paying for them from the budget you can pay or want pay ? How much you paying for the bred and water ? Do you buying this every day ? Do you choosing the price ?

    From what you can to what you want. From how much you need to how much you want. All up to your wallet, cash.

    3) Do this questions have any connections with Aion ?

    Yes they have.

    4) How ?

    Look now !


    I make a comparison - Aion with products, because we playing game every day ( like bred and water), we playing it, because we like/need it, and we paying for it in different ways !

    About which qualitative changes I’m talking here ?!

    To explain this, I need to start from beginning, From time I start to play Aion. When I just entered the game, I felt like I entered another world. The amazing graphic effects, awesome world, one of the best gameplay ever made, epic PvP, wonderful PvE ( spectacular dungeons, dramatic bosses), wide social community and a lot more interesting, new , exciting things, makes me feel like it’s my life, my choice, my game. I got the enjoyment from game, the fun, the pleasure. I was not only ready, I WAS WANT, to pay for this, to pay for what I like to do, what I need, pay for play !

    But all this, went opposite way at the finish, when I left the game. Even when the gameplay and graphic were same ( even better with each update), the enjoyment left me. WHY !? BECAUSE OF : slow leveling ( if I have few characters ? ), infinity mobs killing (to level up or getting needed item), 100 times replayed same dungeons ( mostly for leveling), hours of waiting for important classes ( to complete some quests, dungeons ), not balanced PvP vs several classes ( nerfed skills, that can be easy changed) and most awful ENCHANTING SYSTEM with 90% fail ( Enchantment stones, Tempering solution, Breakthrough System(?)), and other issues (everybody know them in game). ( I’m not note Manastones system, because it’s important and wise thought , must be option in this game.) Do we really play just for enchantment ? Upgrading items is must be option, we can’t even kill mobs without it ! AND ?! We have to pay if we want enchant ! Because it’s almost impossible to make all enchantment to maximum level, without spending some real money for it or spending few years of playing ? IS IT CHOICE ? Do we want this ? NO, NEVER !

    So now I come to the issue I star above - need changes ! Qualitative changes! And I have offer !

    All we know, that thousand people working on that game, the think I’m telling is not new. With each update game getting better and better, but with each update we more, and more must play it to get what we need ( remember from what you getting fun – epic PvP, PvE or epic enchantment system ? ). Looks like developers not see what we really want, why do we choose this game. Making us to play – with whip. But when we join this world – it were bred and water for us ?! Making us eat and drink ? I can do it myself, but I don’t want bad food or stinking water ! CHANGE IT ?!

    There are a lot of ways to make changes. I have my own variants, which you can use, admit, note, share in your development process . I believe a lot of veteran players have this offers (making poll – is easy in game, to help you).

    Just for example (not all this ideas is useful) :

    - Currency.

    Making currency (kinah) in game work useful for user/player and developer. Mean, let us buy Kinah with really money and use them in game, by buying with them important must be thinks (other way just farm kinah, by the long, slow process, so it will be still FREE-TO-PLAY game ). All we understand, that we must pay something, to keep the project alive, to make game upgrading. So it’s better when we will pay for what we need and when we want and spend them in game how we want (to our CHOICE). It’s not hard for me, if I will pay 10-20$/ month for thing I like to do. When you buy icecream – you spend money ? Why ? You like it ? Me too ! When the veterans and new players will buy Kinah by real money and spend them in game for what they need, but the things they need are useful and must be (bred and water), the other think will be easy to get without spending hours of farming and crafting. Like I said up there, I’m average man and I don’t have much to play in a day (only couple hours or less), but it will be profitably for me to spend some money, to get what I need and keep getting joy from game, without be nervous by the enchanting and leveling (and other terrible things). And it will be profitable for developers too, because if there are a lot ( and there are) of average people, who ready to spend not much money per week/month to get what they like, example - 10$ x10 000 player = good income for game. And it looks, for me, much bigger income, then from different time, from different players , with different amount . It’s permanent income ! I’ll repeat, it’s just idea, thought, so it’s easy to change it, make it right with help of people who need this – users.

    - Leveling.

    There are nothing to talk much about it. Making some dungeons many times make it boring, killing same mobs make it tired. Speed up the leveling process, just example is illegitimate servers with x2, x10, x100 rate of leveling. Somebody like to leveling and opening character which is playing, not when u doing it month or more.

    - Skills.

    Game is very divided to classes, without several of them you can’t process in game progress. Make it change. Need to balance it. Add new skills that allow different classes use different items to assist each other. Brutal example: make a stuff useful for all classes, which allow to use healing skills (not like main Heal (Cleric, Chanter) for sure) to support each other or in group (mean, only healing skills allowed, maybe with stigma system, that will not allow to fights, so it will be balanced, no need to break the PvP system). I’ll repeat one more, it’s just not perfect idea , thought.

    - Dungeon/Instance.

    Make the game more wide by making the old zones – new. Mean, you can enter the low level dungeon again with the level you are. And open the new level of hardness for example.

    - Enchanting system.

    As I already said it before, change it, deeply change it! Let the upgrading be easy and available for all player (new or veteran). Make it something like Manastone system – allow to upgrade several option which will give several stats. So the PvP and PvE will be even more wonderful. It will be up to player what he want in game and buy it with kinah ( and farm or buy kinah by real money).

    - Expand game borders.

    Housing is a great option that allow people to not play Sims anymore, develop it. Add new classes, new zones, new instance, items, new option ( how about race on mounts, like NFS ? ) The game is very social, but there are place to develop it too (example : make the dancing moves with skills, so players will dance, making new moves themselves). Group PvP is cool. How about strategy PvP, alliance vs alliance, where will be needed tactic thinking. And much more and more.

    And as you know now, a lot of veteran or just started players – leaving the game. Trying to hold them by typical updates where you MUST enchant more and more will not help. A lot people selling their accounts, because when they rich some point in game there is no more point to play the game. Sure there are a lot of players, but can be much more. Don’t hold people, give them freedom and they will come themselves.

    For me, it even looks easy to push out WoW from the market, so people will come to play here but need qualitative changes to make it. Imagine income, company growth, developing technologies. Who know, in near future we will play Aion in 3D glasses. Sure all this is a question of time and just my opinion, but I hope it will make a little spark in your heads, that will CHANGE all the wrong things. And all this, the information, the help, the opportunity you can get right from the game, from people, just poll them, asking them what they want and they will pay for it. And it is both side advantage, profit.

    There I’ll back to play this game, this world, this life. There we will get what we want, where we want and when we want. PvP or PvE or social, doesn’t matter, important - to have joy, make own choice.


    Part 2

    Now, as I don’t want to be naked in my convictions, I want to argue about some issues that got important sense. And please again, NOTE, that I'm not trying to prove some thin aspects that I see from my side, but show that there is big field for conversation, wide place for variants and thoughts, empty rooms for your own motives and emotions.

    I believe that repeating is mother of learning and understanding, and in this case I’ll repeat : THINGS THAT I WILL ESPECIALY EMPHASIZE SHOULDN'T BE USED OR MADE IN WAY IM TALKING ABOUT THEM, BUT MUST BE CONSIDERED AS 1 OF 1000 VARIANTS OF WAYS THAT SOLVING ISSUES!

    I’ll agree with you, if you will say that I’m kind a boring, but as I believe in my words, the picture I see, I can explain only by this long thread, other way, it will be not my thought, it will be another thread, so I don’t know how to make it shorter.

    Can I already say my own seeing of issues or I will still talk about things that so exhausting brains of readers?! Yes, here it is:

    -Currency.

    Why do I’m talking about this again, if bigger part of people's write here that it will only harm the game and cause inflation? Because I see it in another way. I don’t call it inflation at all. Comparing it with German inflation(not specified which and when) have some sense, but in another seeing, the world I(read all up there) or we are talking about is still another game at the moment. And it can be compared but not exactly as it is in real life. I'm trying to say that there are mechanisms that can influence on "inflation", or "up to money game", or "bad economy", or "unexpected reaction of community" or just your variant of calling this issue. Brutal example: sell 10 million kinah by 100$ and nobody will buy it. Will it dramatically change something in game right now? I don’t think so. Next make the price lower, like 90$. Do somebody will buy 10 million kinah with 90$? I will not. You ? Okey, but now we know that it’s possible to buy kinah in game and who know, maybe some very rich people will buy it. Will it cause "inflation" ? Hard to imagine that... And next, lower the price until it will be able to buy for bigger part if Aion community but not harm or break the economy system in game, cause "inflation". If any problem, take the price higher again - and this as easy as selling box with enchantment stones in shop. Maybe I don’t see, or don’t understand some aspects that are more deeper(maybe you see), but there are too many mechanisms to push them in right way. Changing price of items (that is purchasable by kinah), making special limits of buying and selling items, making quests without which you are not able to dramatically make your own influence on money system of Aion, and so on... And all this are top of iceberg. And ways to make it right - are in each of us. Making polls, conversation about it (or any another question) will find the ways out of this issue. Another side - for now game have updates (what we don’t have in real life), so with one update you can sell kinah in shop and with other don’t sell them at all (if it cause more problems than resolutions). But until we will not try it, we will not know it! Next, note please, that even if you already bought kinah, there are issues about what you can buy with them. And I will emphasize, that selling gear is not the resolution. Than for what to sell kinah? For basic, must need, most using items in game (scrolls, pots, candies, etc). Yep 100% normal that it will cause new issues, and they will call more issues, and so on.... But aren’t we trying to make it better? Are we not finding solution for each issue together ( players and developers), that is in each of us? WE WILL NOT, IF WE WILL NOT TRY, IF WE WILL NOT WANT ! I really hoping you catch the idea, that I was trying to share. You have better one? Share it!

    -Enchantment system.

    More deeper you are in, more harder to go out. So it’s not really easy to just dramatically change it, as it is one of main points of game. There are more questions about this issue, then answers on them. So even I don’t have own suggestions about some of them. (But you know who have them, right?) And if for me it’s looks like enchantment system is cover other important points of game what shouldn’t be. In case, that now it’s hard to get what you want from game ( and mostly you paying for it, with money), there is no logical explanation to this issue. I see it like: you don’t have to be tactic, wise, fast, skilled player to beat somebody in PvP, but you have to spend 90% of your gameplay by upgrading (enchanting) your gear, and so after you get the maximum possible gear, you can easy walk where you want, and do what you want, in time even most skilled player will not even hit you because of you OP stats, infinity hp, deadly damage ( mean deadly stats, but not the right combination of making damage). So I understand it - even you like PvP, you MUST PvE ( even if you hate it), plus pay a lot to get what you want. Mean you do and pay for what you don’t want! Illogical, but in fact - true. Example : make the gear second point of game, not the first one. Allow new players to show their skill in way they want, without gathering, farming, paying for the things they don’t like( but paying for what they need). Right now I see that there are much more interesting and powerful moments in game that need a lot of exciting time spending and fun discovering of the Aion world. I think not only me leave (or want to leave, selling accounts...) the game by this reason. Making enchanting easy for everybody: increasing rate of success by 95%, selling enchantment stones in general shop with kinah, lowering level of enchantments items, replace enchanting with another more easy operation, doing what ever possible to change this point without harming game.

    There those who enjoy things they do, will do thinks they like to do. And if you will tell that in this way will be not point to play Aion at all, I’ll not agree, because even you, who reading this post, cant know all about game, its near impossible for someone or will take few years(like I see it after 2 years of playing). So do the enchantment system really so important like it is now?

    -Misc.

    And here answer for question above - NO! If to look what people are talking about, you will that all things are different and place to discover them are without borders ! If I will want to tell about all them, I might be banned because of spamming forum with ocean of words. But important for me are things that are interesting for most people, that should be mentioned in wide community spectr. Will not talk here about leveling, skills, housing or anything that are in game now, just note, that there are millions ways to increase, share, develop all this things. Create new, what will be accepted for everybody here ( are you developer or player). And you, who reading it, have knowledge how to make it properly.

    Try to imagine for a second, that there is not forum where we can talk about Aion, will it be Aion that we know right now? So be sure you are part of this and you can change it in your own wish.

    I believe not only in my speech up there, I believe in people who read this. I believe in those who can do little changes and in those who can do big changes. In what you believe ?

    My life. My choice. My game. """
     
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    make new race, cause boring in asmo and ely side.;)
     
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    Kessie alis volat propriis Forum Legend

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    Is it just me after a long day or really that mind-numbing is this all to read.
     
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    w3w !

    unnecessary an encouragement to [​IMG]

    So if i going back and play again with EU Aion ... i'll would see meeeeeeeeeny naked mans/girls flying around ?? * -*


    igot a tooooooooon inspiration from the gameforge video...




    Thank you Gameforge ......

    @BeastiesDecoyAccount ineed halp! D:
     
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    Ddraig Steel of Destiny

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    I tried. I really did try to read this and my poor brain needs a new oil change.
    How can someone do this to others is beyond me.
     
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    Frix 고독한 Forum Legend

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    tl;dr but ...

    Aion is love.
    Aion is life.
     
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    Great Video :D :D
     
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    thats too long to read
     
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    really? and I thought u were being honest this whole time..
     
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    yes I am honest, I did not read all of those stuff
     
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    MY ONLY 2 FUCKING BRAIN CELLS ARE GONE NOW BECAUSE OF THIS
     
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