My two cents on "Some things! (GIVE THEM CONGRATS DEMMIT)"

@Astii @Stopitsme and a couple of others.
Dear people, you got one thing really wrong about the GM hierarchy here on Gamez, so let me explain. While you're right that to some extent a promotion serves as a token of gratitude for one's hard work, it puts them in no way "higher" on the ladder of hierarchy. It is indeed correct that each rank "up" *cough* makes more power available to the GM, however what matters the most is that their resposibilities do not encompass more things, but contrary to popular belief they shift. In truth, the only so to say "inferior" staff member position is the Trainee AM, during which it is evaluated whether the player is suitable for the task.
The GMs you're supposed to be seeing doing public in-game activities such as answering questions and hosting events are mainly the AMs (yellow). Being promoted to SAM means that you should do less of those and instead focus on background work, which is precisely what your new powers allow you to do. That includes fixing NPCs, testing and possibly providing intellectual material for the regular AMs to work with. Of course one is free to continue doing usual tasks should time allow.
A HGM is to make decisions and double-check/finalize those of the rest of the staff members, as well as, like the SAM, test game features and give ideas/carry out plans for major events. Since the SAMs were freed of the duty to mail event rewards, that has come to be a responsibility of the HGM(s) instead. They are involved in the essential development of the server and the most in contact with the administrators. Now, it was always like this until @Deathangel took over the position and gave the example of persevering towards keeping things around Gamez running and thus entertaining players to the best of his ability (even though no one had such expectations from him).

In short, AMs become SAMs if they are better suited for doing what a SAM can do as opposed to an AM. If people keep living with the mindset that a "higher" rank stands for an overall better staff member, they'll keep getting frustrated when others unexplainably (heh) snag the shinier tag. They'll be missing the point that it is not an overall better staff member, but a better suited for the role such that does.

You know, if only it weren't for this pesky paradox right here:

Oh well. Feel free to comment but keep it civil.
@ the moderators of the section: do not delete, just close if you have to.

 

I understand what you're saying but at the same time making a thread about a topic that was closed for a reason by an admin request certainly isn't gonna help either. It will just continue the drama. Even if it's your intention to be kept "civil." The people on here aren't really "civil," Especially since you quoted a member's opinion/observation in public, which was also a negative response that you're responding to as you have made a point. Which is HIGHLY unnecessary. I don't know why people are making such a big deal out of these promotions when realistically they do in fact do their job, we just can't see it. Most of the time they don't even have to be in game for things like mailing prizes etc. I don't agree with what most of the people that you mentioned said either especially since I was called "pathetic" when I was simply sticking up for the truth, but I don't want to post all my thoughts in public for everything to gang up on me etc.

This really doesn't need to be discussed if it was closed for a reason, especially by an admin. You can express your opinions openly and freely, but when it's sensitive topics like these, we all know how self righteous people can be with their observations/opinions. It's not worth recreating drama over even if you may be right on some points.

 

I never meant to get replies on this, in fact and by comments I meant objections against what I said, not thread-reviving provocative posts. I really just want to have it read, that's all.

 

Well every thread in public view is going to get a reply somewhat. Especially since the other thread that was closed didn't happen too long ago, so it's not old news. And when you are seeking for people's "objections" to what you say, it's the same as reviving what was said in the previous thread which like I said was closed for a reason. And that's also asking for drama and arguments. Which we don't want.

Hope you understand my reasoning. Not going to reply after this. Thanks.

 

Trying to act like a gm too much dawg

 

And that's what I meant by provocative posts D:

 

U like it ;3 u drama whore u. + hes a total twat and deserves it :3

 

And he goes around calling everyone a fake... Stop being such a suck up.

 

Lil' boi's learning

 

Hi Razor, thank you for taking the time to explain how the GM hierarchy works around here. However, I still stand by my statement that the hard work @Finaldestiny has put in, should also be recognized. I think you misunderstood the reason behind @Stopitsme 's point and my objections regarding these promotions. To make it short, we simply thought that most of the people on the list, who were promoted, are not suited for such a promotion for having poor people skills. From a player’s perspective, people who were known to have abused their powers in the past for personal reasons, as well as people who have been nasty towards players, just because they carry the title of an AM on this server and use that title against them, should not be rewarded. That is like praising someone who's a bully and rewarded them for being a bully. Where is the moral in that? It simply didn't make any sense to us. I do understand your point though and I get it now. Thank you.

 

Thank you for understanding my point. This moderator hierarchy has absolutely nothing to do with my underlying point: that a moderator with the wrong attitude should not be in any position (trainee, AM, SAM, HGM, whatever). Also, I would like to say that though I agree that moving from AM to SAM is more about a shift in responsibility, it is still at the core a promotion for their "hard work". I don't think anyone here needs to consult a dictionary to understand that a promotion is a step up. Why else is the thread titled GIVE THEM CONGRATS? We're supposed to congratulate them on their promotion aka rank up right? You say there is truly no hierarchy but from the way that thread was worded, it's obvious that's not the case.

Anyway, I really don't care to argue about semantics. I just don't think a person with the wrong attitude for AM should get promoted to SAM and it seems like many people are missing that point.

 

whatever....i dont see any fix yet...even with 1000 sam's! the server have the same bugs since that last update wich was on nov/dec i can t remember! i dont blame any1 from staff but here should be at last 1 good developer, but no1 good work for free that s the thing

 

It will only take another half year till the brokers back, because now we have the new SAMs doing their best background works ever in gamez history. Just be patient mfker!

 

Kindly be patient. The SAMs will be working on lots of important stuff like Reading Missing Item Reports and Assisting with Bug Investigations to name some...

 

@QueenSydney
Facepalm Just Epic Facepalm.
Not Flaming or hating or anything! Just Facepalming is all

 

No, you're just being realistic.

 

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@Razor, I think this is a contradiction.

- How can you focus on background work when you don't play the game? Example, background work includes finding bugs, right? How exactly are you going to find bugs if you don't play the game?
- How are you going to find out which NPC is not working properly and that it needs a fix without playing the game? Even if you say players can report them then that makes the player do the SAM's responsibilities.
- Providing intellectual material, yes SAM can do that without playing the game but we all know a SAM who plays the game can do that better.
- Test game features, again, another thing you can't do properly and better without playing the game.
- Give idea, can't do it properly if you don't know how the previous ideas worked because you don't play the game.
- Carry out major event plans, yet another thing you can't do if you can't even do a regular event on your own properly what more when it's major or big events?

Let's do a look back of who are the SAMs who did good being a SAM.
1. Vildiil - Hosts events, plays the game, does background works.
2. Deathangel - Hosts events, plays the game, does background works
3. Sileria - Hosts events, plays the game, not sure about doing as much background works
4. Razor - Hosts events, plays the game, not sure about doing as much background works
5. Akikaze - Hosts events, plays the game, not sure about doing as much background works

See the common factors? They all do events and play the game. They know the game inside and out because they play it and that allows them do better on what they're doing.

Also, I like how people categorizes every serious and heavy discussions regarding the GAME that are being discussed in a GAMING FORUM as a drama.

Dat logic.

 

Hate it when they close shit.

 

@Stark there seems to have been made an exception for the person you're talking about. I don't know the details but I'm almost certain at some point in time there was a chat where he'd given his reasons not to leave staff and they were acceptable.
Do not get me wrong, no GM position frees people from the responsibility to know and play the game. It's GameMaster after all.
Promotions happen for a reason, but it's only natural that mistakes are possible from time to time.
I should also note that I'm not happy with this so-called hierarchy. If I could I'd change a lot, but neah uh.

I think, seeing how most of your arguments aren't really against me, but instead against the person at hand, you might as well use the feature designed to complain about these matters, instead of making me try to defend him.