Pvp against SW

Personally, since I am a Gladiator main, I could tell you first hand, it is not impossible to kill a SW in 1v1. Although, my gear and ping makes up for the lack of skill and knowledge of my class, with the right mindset and determination, you could kill anyone. I've beaten great SW players, I've also got fucked by the same ones. Gotta get lucky with that silence proc and some Kd's. Anyway, they are OP. BUT beatable.

 

It's a shit class even with stigma system, there's nothing about "oh stay out of range so you don't get slept" on glad since their aoe sleep is now 7m. Either you proc tripple silence on your cleaves or you die from the para scum combo. Glad is shit against basically everything except ranger now. It's a group pvp class and the only reason people constantly die to it 1v1 is cause it's easy to play, has rng kd-locks and nobody knows anything about the game around here. Ofc it won't be the same vs templars with a damn 50k shield and msupp/mr stances

 

I very much need to get better at killing this class, been owned isn't much fun.

 

Whoa there, who says staying out of the instant sleep will keep you safe from the Para chain? I've killed plenty of people with a different kind of Para chain that can be initiated from 25m range.

A proper SW who knows a glad is coming pretty much should never lose. I've beaten great glads when my SW was wearing frigging ACD Armor.

 

A good glad though can take out huge chunks of a templar in just a few seconds. The battle temp vs glad isn't really one sided, glad has a good chance of winning if hes good. At least that's how it was last time i played.

 

Then it's been a long time since you last played. Pop barricade > go take a shit > come back to pop a 5-11k heal > back to barricade. There are way too many ways for a temp to not just win versus a glad but to do it in a humiliating way, even without touching any stance.

 

FIXED FOR U
SW >Gunner - What the fuck kind of noob songweaver looses to a gunner? Unless hes not using any defensive skills lol?
SW > Sorc If songweaver sleeps first = game over if sorc sleeps first big fucking woopie for them so what lol?
SW > Sin - If you get lucky enough with godstones you might win
SW > Glad - Pray to the knockdown RNG god
SW > Temp has no damge Songweaver proceeds to laugh in his face wilst kiting him and making his hp go boom.
SW > Cler - heals heals heals....oh shit whered my mana go??
SW > Chanter - chanter litterally the easiest to kill.
SW > Ranger is second easiest to kill
SW >AT - Could be a long fight but always in SW favor
SW > SM stands no chance as long as the SW is buff burying and switching between fear and sleep.
SW = SW - pro vs pro wont end without insane godstones or one being a bitch and throwing DP nukes at the end of the chain

And yea 4.8 litterally didnt change anything for SW it was the best before this so the whole "same people who voted against full stigma" not all that relevant.
What made Songweaver op on gamez is attack speed nothing more. Until they where able to use their skills with faster animations you saw no songweavers in the field. The moment Ari introduced attack speed harps Boom songweavers everywhere. Besides that your build matters gear is optional as long as you have the harps set up you'll be fine.
Of course I would also like to throw this out there that Songweaver is generally the most op in 1 v 1 situations only something like a templar becomes a better class the more enemies you add to the equation.

 

If you used your mana potions correctly, the cleric skills that gives mana and salvation, clerics should not lose to any other SW's who just mindlessly throw skills for the hell of it. I've only seen 3 sw's who handled a cleric with no problem. Clerics can't kill'em either. In 1v1 portals. Clerics just don't have enough burst to kill an sw who can out heal their damage. Same with SW, should not be able to kill a cleric before the timer runs out.

Those temps you mentioned and other better temps have not been a problem to any of the SW'S I know, who uses their skills wisely. Even without +20 gear with 200-300 ping. You've been playing sw for a year or so, these guys I know have been playing for weeks or a few months on SW, not even their main. Maybe your tactics are just not well thought out. Maybe you just need to have a better combo against those classes because an SW should not have a problem with temps. I'm basing my comments off of my friends who play that class and oberving how they fight. I am horrible at that class, that's why I just look pretty and use it to morph. Lol Just like what one of your friends said, it isn't about the gears, it's about how you apply your skills to counter any opponent. Instead of being so bitter about people who have +20, why don't you focus more on getting better at the class you play? I don't think I need to remind you, that the +20 has not been around for awhile, you have been losing fights even before +20 came out. So, maybe you are the problem.

 

@Astii hermana but the damage is not equal to a player who has another gear +20 only have such accs SEA and EA set Normal
I only wish that some AMD fixed soon bugg

 

She specifically mentioned sw without +20 gear and with high ping.

 

a ok xD
SW really a normal gear is very easy, and because it has a resistance normal and Dps normal

 

I appreciate your effort to type all this, but I know how to play my class very damn well to know that's just bullshit. Life curtain gives you 3,147 MP + Penance (330 MP x 10) - which can be dispelled if you aren't careful enough and then we have the Superior Recovery Serum, while Sublime Mana Serum is not really an alternative since you are going to need the Life one at some point. Damaging a SW is just a waste of mana, whilst you use a huge amount of it trying to survive their nukes. And we are obviously talking here about songweavers that know their shit, why would I even be bothering taking the rest into consideration, please...

 

Well I was saying they were a problem for me and I doubt your legion members have defeated every templar that I mentioned and if they did good for them, however it does not mean they will win 100% in the future right? Also I'm not sure if you're comparing how I play SW with your legion mates but you do realize most of them have 20-30 ping while I have 300. You can do so much more with 2 digit ping then with 3 - you should know that. They will always have faster combos and what not, thus their low ping gives them faster animations. Of course I would be a better SW if I had 2 digit ping and +20 gears but there's nothing I can do about that. I live far from the server so I gotta deal and work with the fact that I got 300 ping and that's not gonna change and that's fine. I honestly don't think I'm that bad of a player considering my gears and ping And yes I have been losing fights, who doesn't lose fights? Is really that bad that I lost fights in the past? I remember killing your Templar Starck in a KOR event and he could not get my HP under 80% and this was before 20+ gears ever existed so I don't think my tactics are that bad it's just that I lose here and there, like every one else. I'm not saying gears are everything but, I'm 3.9k MB and the SW's in your legion are 4.8k MB at the most - that's about a 800-900 MB difference which is HUGE so +20 gears and 15-20+ plumes help a hell of alot not to mention their 2 digit ping which only a small % of the server have.

 

I can count in one hand how many people this server has, who has a +20. Which means, that is only about 3-5 people who plays that class and should not be accounted for the entire population this server has who plays that class, unless it's personal. There are so many SW's who do not have the +20 gear s running around. Why are we only focusing on those few when the real issue is that class itself, it's so op on an all stigma server. In fact, all class are op in Siel because it's not a stigma system. It's not balanced. I don't even see why you are complaining, you are playing an SM, the most op class in 1 v 1 fights with your fear lock. Why aren't you complaining about your class? You also have +20 don't you?

I also play cleric and every time I go in to that 1 v 1 portal, I fight against SW's. Maybe, I just got lucky but most of the time, it's a draw. Even before +20. I don't use serums, I use potions. Superior potions gives you a little bit more mana. I spam my potions every time they go off CD. I didn't mean to offend you. I'm simply stating a fact based on my experience because I happen to play cleric.

Jen, you do know that @Stark has 300-400 ping and had been winning against low ping people. I know ping plays a role but it's not as vital as knowing your skills and using them wisely.

 

I know you play cleric and you were surely lucky enough not to end up against songweavers that don't just smash their keyboards, but actually have some good combos that will put you in a really really tough situation.

 

sure i have elite Special gear +20 normal , is not the same as having EA + 20 is that few people (who bought this set), but good hmm not really complain much of the set, rather than the status Bugg and weapons EA +20

I wish the same adm who sold all these weapon to +20 someday take time to actually server

 

Yup. Probably pure luck. I wouldn't turn down an opportunity to fight these good SW's you came across with, whom you are having trouble with though. I would love to fight them and own me so I can learn something. I am always up for a challenge on my cleric, no matter how many times I lose, I'll keep trying, until I learn to play against that person better.

 

SW > Gunner - trust me that real gunner will own SW. Since i didnt saw good enough gunner, it could be true
SW > Sin - tell me, what a fcking noob sin it is? Sin have 5x resist magic + form + sensory boost and millions buffs for attack. Also I am not talking about random sin, that have ping 150 and know just Devotion and Focused Evasion... Sin is probably best class in pvp if you can master it. I saw sins beating plates in a row without brake...
SW > Ranger - jump from hide, stun, cover silence with longer cast time, boom, sleep, wait til silence cd, stun, silence boom... If he can resist insta pinguen he can easily beat him
SW > Temp has no damage... This one make me laugh, just... no... You wanna say that AA, attack buffs (1500+ attack combined with 1000crit = no damage?) and buffs like EA and IS do nothing? Full Arbiter Temp got around 40% pvp def EA is next 10% and Iron Skin reduces dmg by 50%. Also, shield and reflecting are for use too...
SW > SM - SM got insta fear from 25m, SW insta sleep just 7m. Ista fear -from distance = end for everybody

 

How do I get +20 Gear?.

 

You buy custo wep.. Buy/trade for enchantment stones. Click on enchant stone then your custo wep.