Gear progression, economy and the tons of PEN weapons and equipment stuck in the marketplace.

I may be just one of the tons of new players who arrived on the server recently, but I quickly spotted a problem regarding gear progression and the abysmal difference between one month old players and new players regarding GS.

There are currently TONS of PEN gear on the market, and no one buys them. They sit there on the market, just waiting to be bought but they're so expensive they're simply completely out of our (new players') reach. It's clear that this hurts not only the economy, but the gear progression as well.

Just think with me, the players who already a full pen set (many times, they have a full pen set for each one of their 'main' classes) won't buy anything more. They pretty much already have everything they want and have spare money. They don't have anything to do with their spare money. What's their goal on the server then? To put it simply: PVP. 'Old' players long for competitive node wars, interesting and thrilling PVP but they simply don't find it anymore... The new players are simply too far away from their level of power. That results in many high GS, full pen guilds pretty much begging newer guilds and even trying to set up node wars. It's not that far fetched to think that these... pvp, full pen players, might lose interest in the game and quit due to this problem.

Without too many 'competitive' adversaries to pvp against, these same 'old' players often choose to do something else... killing low GS, newer players. Helms, which is a popular farming spot (and honestly, one of the best) is frequented by both high GS and low GS players alike. Sadly, they're pretty much dominated by High GS players, making gear progression for newer players even harder, pretty much making both parts unsatisfied and unmotivated. A possible solution for this specific problem would be making high GS farming spots more interesting and appealing for higher GS players instead of nerfing existing farming spots, effectively separating high GS players from low GS players.

Honestly, the quickest and simplest solution to all these problems, both gear progression, farming spots and the disparity between old and new players gear score would be a full wipe, but that wont happen, as full wipes are a quick way to make MANY players unmotivated and make them stop playing the game. I know I'm not an ADM or a GM or anything. I'm not a programmer or even one of these 'old' players (in fact, i started playing only a week or so ago), but I already love this server more than the NA one (I actually gave up on the NA and came to this one! XD). I feel like this is how BDO was MEANT to be played, and i really want to see this server thrive and succeed. My solutions might not be the best ones, but maybe they're a start...

Another possible solution to maybe make the server's economy a bit more 'healthier' would be making pen gear less expensive (as they're not hard to do at all, at least not to justify their price tag) and make trading available again. Personally, I would LOVE to make farming my only money making activity (as I'm not a life skiller, don't know how breed horses.) but I know that make farming the ONLY viable farming option wouldn't be healthy to the economy as well.

 

For the people like me who wants to make all classes full geared, it is good opportunity see there are pen s /tet s on the market. Tho there are no such a think that if you put something market, it must be sold. If people think, they can reach pen with just buying PRI or TRI which I think as well, its normal too see some items wont be sold.

For the ` Economy, grinding spots, High GS vs Low GS ` topics are discussable tho they are not on top priority at this moment. For those to be solve, first thing first they have to stabilize/free the game from bugs etc.Without being these solved, we (as community) should not rush on those arguments/topics and make noise on DEV's ears while they are focusing on real deals.

I do not say you are wrong, but we should focus on more reporting the bugs we might found on client/server side. Mods/Devs are seriously taken actions on reports.

So looking forward your contribution

Good day.

 

I understand your point, but It's important to focus not only on the future of the server, but the present as well, lest all the effort be wasted.

You say you want to buy multiple PENs right? What do you say about the new players? who can't farm enough to buy one pen? they need at least one month to buy a SINGLE pen weapon/armor. Without spending on ANYTHING else. The issue still stands. As i said, if you want to really make the server GROW, you must tackle not only the present issues, but the future ones as well (hell... pretty much everything i said on my first post can be considered as a 'present' issue to be solved).

I am not rushing a topic or anything. I am simply making a suggestion. I LOVE this server, i want to see it grow. This is the only reason why i posted this topic. I don't think your approach to all this issue is the correct one.

Good day.

 

I know your thinking that 5B and 6B are too much for new players in the server but I hate to bring you a sad reality, as per our dev in this server KOLKA which I chatted a few days ago in discord. Those prices are normal as in like in retail as well. Lowering it more than that would cause cron stone bugs and other stuff.
Proof?


So your solution is to earn silvers via actively grinding with a party for Special Deals OR Passive/AFK earn 1 Billion in a week by doing a 4 horses wagon training for 7 days (just level them up to 30 those T7 and T8's, sell to imperial via normal stable).
The prices in MP are all normal now, the overwhelming stocks of PEN weapons in MP are due to a lot less people are buying those PEN gears.
New players like you should be able to buy those rather than spending more time getting FS and if your unlucky RNG then bye FS. Honestly, the solution is for more new players and they would know how to earn silvers fast and to buy those PEN gears.

 

I didn't know that! That actually explains a lot! Even though I think that it's a bit unfair... People from one month ago were making literally millions a day by farming. There are a lot of full pen, gear carried players who simply farmed one week and bought everything and these same ppl always go to helms and keep dominating the spots, killing newbies, making gear progression even more difficult for us.

One week per billion, assuming you don't spend money in anything else, and assuming you're tryhard farming. That would take more than a month to buy ONE pen equipment T____T

While there are a lot of ppl from one month ago that bought their pens in one, two weeks and now have more money than they can even handle (for example, putting pre orders of 500kk and more to merchant wagons, 600kk and more to duo crescent & etc...

Edit: stupid auto corrector...

 

Merchant and noble wagons was absolutely not those pricing to pre order. Heck way back when I started a year ago (Dec 2017'ish) when my older guildmates who left already now informed me to pre order them 1M and up, I was really shocked. I did still do it around 7x and after that I googled and research how to craft my own using my workers in Altinova (for Merchant wagon) and Calpheon (for my Noble wagon). Heck it was hard specially you have to get some alchemy items as well (for noble wagon).
In the end, when I was really busy IRL I just do what I mentioned above (except for special deals, it was really buffed for you guys because before no one did some party that much compared nowadays).
Did you know there's fadus and mushroom monsters in kamasylvia? It is really less populated there because people go to helms and pretty much think that it is easier there heck, nope.
fadus and mushrooms, I could grind a new account/char there with around 80-90AP and 90 DP (did that for my friend to start up).
Get some Contribution points, rent some armor or grind/get loots in catfish area till you get some decent accessories set there or in Altinova area for asula set and the loure's set which everyone uses...
I think you need to explore the game and understand where and how to start up, if you are in retail it WILL be definitely harder. I hope my suggestions pointed out some stuff for you but the pricing in MP back to that topic, it can never go down than 6B or 5B for those PEN weapon gears because it will break almost everything.

 

I'm pretty sure the prices on the Pen are not that bad especially because of the drop rates in the game. You can farm 100m in 1-3 hours plus with the new changes with the special deals you don't have to wait for a reset anymore. Pen Gear is expensive because its end game gear. I don't know why your'e complaining about that. The prices of pen was stupid before, ranging from 10-15bil so you really shouldn't complain because of the recent fix on the price calculation which made pen cheaper than the older prices before the fix, comparing the new prices than the one before, id rather pay 5 bil for a pen than 15bil. If we did lower the prices sure you'd get happy new players but its definitely not "Healthy" for the community in the long run. You said it yourself you get bored once you're full pen gear so then what if we lower the prices? Then there would definitely a lot of people that'll quit because they're bored of the game. I don't think changing prices or wiping the server would be the best way to tackle the gear difference among players.

 

How about you enchant your pen gear? it's already explained through the cron method. its so easy to pen here... all you need to do is to buy gathering scroll from the 90 day value pack and go kill sheeps and farm stones.. you can make up to 100-150 mil in a hour. You can farm witch earrings for money, you can go farm in special deals you have so many options.. when i was a new player i just yolo my enchants i made a pen MoS with 31 FS my pen gear with 30-90 FS and all after all the Failstack has no cap you can go 100% 1 FS = 0.50% Chance. (Premium even 0.65%)

Edit : You can make money with AFK horse training and breed and sell via. Imperial Horse delivery to make money as well. 6 hours can be up to 300-400 mil with merchant wagon and some pearls.

 

Update: Spent over 600m trying to enchant all the TRI gear i bought. ended up with everything PRI again. Can't farm on most of the money farming spots because they're always dominated by higher GS players. It was hard before, now i can't even hold my own against them.

It just became... unfun.

Training horses overnight, farm (or try to farm) on SD spots, get PKed on those spots, try to change CHs until you give up farming there...

I think i'm done...

 

1B away trying to enchant. from countless attempts, just one tet and no pen. im now completely broke AND weak.

 

well i made a tet tungrad with 45 FS just saying... sometimes you need to try.. i could have lost 2.4bil now i have 11.4bil

 

I got all my pens by cooking.

 

How many days/weeks/months it took? You bought them, right? was considering starting any life skill to be my main money making method but Horse breeding is really complicated. Heard some ppl saying they could make at least 500m reliably per day breeding them but so far i got only 150m per night or so by selling t7s and t8s to imperial delivery.

Would you mind teaching me how you did it?

 

Sure. Combat knight rations are the best material/cost ratio food item, however, there's a lot of people that sell them, so you always have to relist them. My strategy was to always have three type of food items on the marketplace at all times. You can put 30 listings so I would have Combat Knight Rations, Serendia Meals, and Balenos meals since those were pretty simple to mass produce. While I'm mass producing at least 2,000 of those food items, I also start building my stock of Magoria seafood as a bonus.

Magoria meals are nice because if I use (30/30) of my marketplace slots they sell instantly. Very high demand for them because they're vital for PvP. Then I continue with my 10/10/10 strategy.
Start off investing 100CP into farms (obtainable from any material vendor) and every night I would alternate between chicken coups and hay (cow milk, beef), and mats (wheat, sunflower etc...) I always set preorders for eggs, for 3000 silver each.

Then you start cooking, which can be time-consuming, I recommend getting at least +3 cooks cloths so the cooking time is always 1.0 seconds.

Something I should mention is I was able to reap massive profit when the server started. The game itself is very connected to the economy--meaning it knows how many food items are present in the world. If players have plentiful food, the server will adjust the price lower. To give you an example, Combat Knight Rations would sell for 210k when the server first started. I don't know how much they sell now, but I able to stock up on silver and just buy pens.

And there you go