i'm in heiron atm..gj elyos fliers you are really pro!!

read.....what.....i posted.....

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quote so kevster can see it........:annoyed:

 

Here is the general situation, because you all deserve to know.

1.) We don't have logs for flier abuse at this time. It will be one of my projects this week to get some kind of logging system created so we can track multiple fly abusers and ban the ones that need to be banned. Kari and Carl want to do some weird offline punishment system, but that hasn't been created yet, hence the delay on the logs. I intend to try to get it done despite that.

2.) Forum reports up until said logs are created are largely useless. Because we have no logs, we don't know who has been punished for which instance. We also can't punish people who are offline. However, once the logs are up, we can still count screenshots as a strike against the player if we are sure he/she has not been punished by a GM yet. Three or four strikes = ban.

3.) I am as dissatisfied with the whole fiasco as you all are. The things that need to get done aren't getting done fast enough.

I suggested this in our initial internal discussions. //set AP is currently a lv3 GM command, meaning only Head GM and higher rank have access to it. I asked to have it set to lv1. (AM+) I've been informed that the command is bugged. It adds and subtracts AP instead of sets it to a specific number. Given that, we don't want to find out what sort of bugs may happen when a player has negative AP because a random GM had a math fail.

Hence why I suggested a kinah removal punishment as an alternative. Not as effective, but we do find odd players with 20b kinah on them sometimes.

 

I lol'd at this one :lol:

Remember how long these two maps are no~fly zones... And now u come to say us that u don't have a log with the abusers? After that fact that it was U the one who made the thread to report the abusers...

Aw my...That is so hilarious and tragic at the same time!! U should be ashamed to keep us ALL in the dark all this time :annoyed:

 

That thread admittedly now absorbs forum clutter, mainly. It was originally intended to be useful as it was my hope that the whole thing would be fixed soon after and the reports would be managable. Said hopes died.

 

Honestly there's no need to be disrespectful towards the GMs. They work on keeping us in the know-how as best as they can, and we all have to consider that there's a ton of work involved for the few GMs that we do have.

 

Well wat I can see is that on Gamez things moves really slowly...

It looks like this: 1st we act, then we think about wat we have done.

Seriously talking, the 2 maps have driven many ppl crazy because the abusers are 70% the same old faces everyday... I would report but after like a week I realised that the report thread was a bad joke, since the SS with abusers were over 50 and the list with the names of the ones who were punished were about 10, more or less.

All this madness with no~fly has mess up all the server and that's not good at all =(

 

I believe GMs (must) have the ban logs. But jail logs? Then we're talking another story here. :unsure:

CMIIW, but as far as I know, jail won't have logs, because jailing is basically teleports a player into a special area where all teleportation methods (by player) are restricted. :lol:

 

You know, it's not so difficult to keep notes and right down the names of who u jail and then make a list in the Staff's section to let others know. It doesn't take a long time to organize things like that :sleeping:

 

We have no kind of automatic logging. It will be up to individual GMs to update their logs the moment they prison, which will be a pain in the arse for everyone, but it needs to be done. Difference is we aren't required to have proof for jailing, which saves a bit of time.

(Especially when you have that odd morning when everyone thinks there is no gm when //gmlist is down and I'm hovering over observatory keeping the prison stocked with 50 players at once.)

 

making logs can also be more annoying than banning some one >_>

 

I know how it feels like, I been throught the same not only once... Making logs takes time but it's a must when u want to keep things organized. Of course 1~2 GMs cannot handle server with 2+k players at once, with all PMs/ reports/ questions etc, this is true.

But community cannot be treated like an amount of dumb players who will bite on anything shiny like updates/events. Yes, this server was set up by someone to make cash from people but this cash would be lost is there were not community to support this attempt to run a Pserver.

You must realize that as u do spend ur free time on this game, so do we. We try to keep this community clear from cheaters but GMs must be either more or more organized in some things, because the patience has its limits sometimes.

I don't blame any of GMs. Each of u do his/her best at the level he/she can and I appreciate it. The problem comes from the people who are senior than GMs/ SMs.

 

The feeling is mutual.

 

So carl and karissa are going to make an offline punishment system. That sounds kind of ridiculous. What about just fcking fixing it???

 

How difficult can it be to make a thread in staff central titled "Post flight abusers you've jailed here", and GMs just add names to the list as they jail?


Also, if you're going to subtract kinah, 30% isn't enough

It's a bug, abusing it is akin to hacking as it gives you a major advantage over other players, take away all their kinah.

 

1st part:

Idk how Staff is working here but things looks to be mess pretty much.

2nd part:

If they will take more than 30% kinah people will start QQing on the forum about how bad GMs are for doing it. It will only bring more no needed drama here.

Remember that this punishment was like last resort because they cannot fix this bug. It took the place of the warning because it has been a long time from the time these maps became no~fly zones, so people should know it by now.

 

Hence some of my own frustrations about how slowly things move sometimes. I wanted to do this the moment the kinah reduc plan was approved.

 

GMs don't care if their punishments are too harsh, if they want to lower their workload, they need harsher punishments, since fixing the damn thing is too much to ask for.

 

I'm not a dev. I can't fix it. So I jail bug abusers and steal their money. :lol:

 

GMs can't fix it, but they can petition Carl or the devs to do something about it. Either focus on fixing the bug or just have it removed until a time it can be implemented properly. You're the main victims here, as you're getting stuck with all the work because of the sloppiness of the dev who implemented this feature so half assedly.

 

It's not always like that. Yes, GMs want to deal with the problem in the most possible short time. But it's not about punishing players but solving the problem.

GMs takes orders from senior Staff in rank of control, wat they have to do. Of course they suggest solutions and possible ways to deal with problems like bug abuse. But ban is not always the best solution since this would lead to the lost of a big amount of players, which would mean less income for the server owners.

GMs are just one part of the whole team who works to keep this server up running smoothly and make community happy

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Let's set up a cards game....:bandit:

Wat do u say about Poker? U bring the cash since u seem to have alot :tongue: