Spawn Camping - Oplay

Soo, on Lumiel earlier there were 2-3 groups in Heiron taking over, and such. Anyways, it was okay with me, seeing I managed to get out and kisk elsewhere and take them out slowly, but regardless.. At some point, Oplay comes around and tries to stop them, saying it's "against the rules"?

Now, I don't recall this rule having been implemented, although I remember it have been an idea in the making. Regardless, I just assume that the rules set for GamezAion would count for both Siel and Lumiel, seeing there are no clarification and/or separate threads for both server rules.

What I'm trying to bring forward is a clear intent of Oplay trying to 'alter rules'. Which actually don't... exist.

This is a conversation I had with Oplaylistic:

Spoiler

He fell silent afterwards, and logging of several minutes later, I've decided to do an instance run in Balaurea. While in the midst of that, Assumptio announced that the Asmodians should leave Heiron, in order to leave the newbies alone.

Anyways, this whole issue was needless to say: saddening. I can agree that Asmodians taking over Heiron would disrupt the new players from playing, but it's part of the game, and I honestly don't see why they had to be told to leave.

A proper way of dealing with the whole situation would be offering the new players a warp outside of the 'fighting' area in order to continue playing the game. But, well that's just me.

To add: This is a link to the game rules: http://forum.gameznetwork.com/showthread.php?t=3886&highlight=game+rules

Or well, the only one that can be found. May I suggest creating a topic a tad bit more flashy? Or even adding it unto the forum rule section rules:

http://forum.gameznetwork.com/showthread.php?t=23159

Also, a note. To the GMs mentioned above, nothing against you, don't take me wrong, just eh... posting my concerns. So, yeah. Don't think I'm trying to get out on ya. Flattering yourself isn't always good.

Hope I haven't offended anyone... or do I?

 

I agree, it is completely fair to be in heiron...however the situation with asmos being in theo is getting dumb.

 

Yes, yes.

But, the situation in Theobomos isn't the actual situation I'm trying to bring forward here.. so yah.

 

As far as I'm concerened: Camping spawns should be allowed, if you can, BUT I think the guards should be buffed ( A LOT) so that it is more difficult to do...I think camping spawns should be frowned upon, since it's impossible to get out if someones standing at the obelisk that you're at but *shrugs* idk really...

 

First off, Crop, you're gay <3 LOL.

Anyway, I was here during all of this going down and frankly I don't find it to be a big deal (Referring to the Asmodian's camping in Heiron).

It's an open PvP zone and they're just having fun, it's a part of the way Gamez works. You're able to use rifts to go to the opposing factions side and if you're strong enough, you can hold areas that otherwise should be the representative factions. Frankly, I think this event is more indicative that people on Lumiel, primarily those on Elyos, need to sack up and PvP more.

I always see the same people PvPing from Elyos and frankly it's kind of sad

I do think that the "Port outside the city" for newbies is actually a good idea. It'll help to keep players that're under geared or just wanting to level in peace from Emo-raging out and being all pissy on the forums or to GM's. I really agree though with Crop, I don't really understand why the Asmo's were threatened with being ported back or with not being allowed to participate in the game in an inherent manner that's supposed to be allowed.

With that being said, I think there was an easy solution for Elyos to solve this... Sack up and go get in the action.


But that's just Me

 

Buffing guards won't help much, you can easily move them away and root them in place, and lose aggro on them, and they'll be stuck there until some other player gets him back to his original position...

Or, the server restarts.

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Bow, I will woop your ass the second you get in-game. That's just a fyi.

But, anyways. Good to know you agree with me, or else I'd have to guildkick you. ^^~

 

I have nothing against you, Crop, but Idk why everyone's after/on Mikes ass :\ It'd be a drag.

 

Spawn camping is lame but it could even be accomplished in retail to a much lesser extent, I thought we were aiming for more retail like ^^;

 

Frowned upon is one thing, but being threatened by the GM's to GTFO and leave the area or be forcibly ported doesn't seem right....

With that being said, I too agree that the guards should be buffed. IMO, it's easier to raid Heiron and not aggro a ton of guards since the top of the structure is open and you can freely fly in. Beluslan on the other hand you USUALLY go through the front gate where you inevitably aggro guards.

I'm not *****ing about the structures or difference between asmos and elyos zones, I'm just saying, I think for both sides, it'd help for the guards to be buffed and frankly have a larger aggro radius. It'll help to minimize situations such as the aforementioned. However, it'll still allow for players to enjoy raiding each others cities. You just might be able to occupy them for as long or as easily.

Again, just thoughts and they're mine, so to each their own.

Flame on: :annoyed:

 

I have nothing against oplay. I am simply stating my concerns, if it's offending to you or him, whatever. Then that's your or his issue.

If it was any other GM, I'd have done the same thing.

 

Let's tell the gms to make rifts that teleport u to theobomos and brustonhin
Cause going to heiron is ridiculous , killing low lvls isn't fun...
In Theobomos there are players of all lvls XD it's the elyos map instead of the asmodian brustonhin right?? or Theobomos = Altgard ? cause there are lvl 50 mobs.. so brustonhin i guess.
Well i am joking , but it would be cool if they would make it , don't u think?

 

actually that would be great if they could make the rifts by certain levels so no more low level killing

 

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I don't know... what to say... but, I do feel like face palming.

 

Oh, sorry about that.. I didn't read the whole post :3

 

LoL ass and your UD >< but yeah, I do agree, it's just part of the game in my mind.

Maybe there are some adjustments needed, but more or less, I do still maintain it's just part of the game.

LoL - Aiming for more retail like would meaning aiming for stuff to be working inched: - I keeed... kind of...

Although, I think the "much lesser extent" would be preferable to a lot of the community.

I for one, don't really care if people spawn camp, it just means the opposing faction BEING camped, should nut up and go get some AP.

 

I have a feeling you added this for a reason D:

 

My reasons are mine... And will not be shared to you!

 

Well look.... i think Oplaylistic is just trying to help the situation :S
One of the most friendly and helpful GMs this server has i can say.
i know it's not right to ask from a player not to spawncamp...
but it's also not right to spawncamp on newbies.
because it's a high rates server , every player has super items that are good enough to kill a guard with , easily. (even if it's just anuhart and tahabata..) so yes , make the guards alot stronger so they kill the spawncampers.. or add more guards around the obelisks... and/or increase their spot distance.. cause i've spawncamped on newbies at theobomos myself just for fun , cause i was bored... and i passed next to guards and they didn't see me... they are 99% useless...

 

It's right to spawn camp, because it's fun to torture the opposite faction. And, don't deny that. It may be unfair, which is where as a GM, you should simply offer the 'victim' a warp, and allow him to bind elsewhere and do his things, and such.

 

We used to have guards at spawn areas to help out that actually hurt and did a fair bit of damage, but they got erased -.- /sigh

Still, we can't go in and tell people to back off of an obelisk that they gained control of, its a PvP server and we are allowed to port players out that are being harassed but not to the extent of telling people to stop and go somewhere else because they aren't allowed to be there.

The only exception to this is when a faction is camping people in their own zone because the opposing faction is spawning from a bugged obelisk (Besfer Refugee Camp in Beluslan; Jamanok Inn in Theobomos) in which case its not supposed to happen anyways and we cant permit people to spawn camp those areas.