Topic Closed Before A Serius Solution

this is the link for my thread
http://forum.gameznetwork.com/showthread.php?p=480603#post480603

Ashtar, Plz read all posts in this thread.

And Tyman, i still need your answer, ll u be responsible for 200 USD less in Carl Banc Acc, just to fullfil your foolish pride???

 

You do know that what Dao Pay n Paypal are reffering to is a legitimate purchase of a product not a DONATION. <.< By donating you agree that you're expecting nothing in return for doing that donation...

There for you're not eligible for a refund... By demanding a refund for something you DONATED too you're basically saying you'd take money back you donated to a church or anything else. Since you're making a volunteer donation to a private organization... No one forced you to donate, no one told you to donate, you didn't have to donate. So basically right now you're just reaching for thin air...

 

So darth After reading the entire thread you linked too, i have found that you were banned for.

1. Abusing a bug
2. Speed hacking and getting caught on video
3. Asking that a DONATION get refunded.

So 3 bannable things and your still here complaining about it and wanting to get unbanned?

If you don't like being banned, don't bug abuse / cheat or ask for your cash back as it clearly states in the donations page that any attempt at a refund will be met with a ban.

Now i know your English might not be very good, but google does have a translator for this type of thing and it would of taken you about 4 seconds to realise that hacking is going to get you banned.

What i want to know though, is why someone getting IP banned from the game isn't IP banned from the forum once proof has been seen and judged. Especially when Speed hacking is so blatant and can not be excused.

 

so explain that to dao pay or paypal, because i already got informed and they told me that is simple: if the game designers cant prove that my acc is playable (the itens that i bougth is accecible to me) due to block made by the server, they must refound me, its internet international law dude



this is very much true just because the server has "donation." i point you to the case blizzard vs wow scape this word "donation." does not protect hacked pservers anymore
if u want a refund if you keept all your bill of sales file for a refund if they refuse sue them cause all your layers cost will be paid by them plus a chunk of change in your pocket

 

International internet law?

You do know that the Internet isn't governed by anyone right? One of the reasons wikileaks is still around, another reason the piratebay is still around. because they cant stop them. jesus learn something about the thing you use on a daily basis will you.

The US cant do jack about me downloading torrents anymore than paypal can refund a DONATION. they can apply pressure yes. but ultimately cant do jack shit as its no ones jurisdiction. just like international waters has no governing body on the open ocean. you have to be in close proximity to land for you to come under there law.

 

Well this is stupid. Not saying you're wrong, it's just stupid.

 

You're comparing Blizzard which is a US company to NCsoft which is Korean? <.< You do know it's not the same thing at all n that NCsoft hasn't even done anything towards private servers since they gain enough from their other MMOs while Blizzard really get their majority of income from WoW n they have a history of trying to shut down servers...

So yeah while NCsoft don't have to fear losing too much money cause of private servers... Blizzard can't say the same thing...

 

NCsoft has offices in North America, United Kingdom, Japan, Taiwan, China and Thailand. NCsoft West is headquartered in Seattle, WA and is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Korea-based NCsoft Corporation

they may be owned outside the usa but they have offices inside the united states there for are subject to its laws there for any case brought before the courts would win

lol not trying to be a prick but its true

 

Definition of a donation.

donation [dəʊˈneɪʃən]
n 1. the act of giving, esp to a charity
2. a contribution [from Latin dōnātiō a presenting, from dōnāre to give, from dōnum gift]


IE a gift, not expecting anything back. was given out of kindness for the better of the organization involved.

Definition of a sale of goods.

Definition


noun

• an Act of Parliament which regulates the selling of goods but not land, copyrights or patents

COMMENT Under the Sale Of Goods Act, goods sold by a trader to a consumer must be as described, of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose. A consumer will be able to claim compensation (in the form of a repair, replacement or refund) if these conditions are not met, unless they were made aware of the defect before buying, or have accepted the goods or failed to return them in good time after discovering the defect (affirmation).

Now if it wasn't a donation then it would fall under the above. as the goods received are not fit for purpose. IE you cant use them as you are banned there for not able to access them. but as the server takes Donations, see above.

As for Blizzard vs WoW Scape.

That was over copyright infringement, the server was making money from donations based on electronic item sales in the disguise of donations. this has nothing to do with Server vs donator as it was the game developer vs a hacked server. completely different to, pserver vs angry donator.

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That is NOT true, its not international Internet law as there is no such thing. it falls down to the country where the company resides and what laws govern that country, and even then it would depend if the company involved was willing to file a claim, Just because there is a office in the US, the UK one falls under UK law, NOT US law, hence any action effecting the company in the US does not Effect the company in the UK unless it its taken to court in the UK.

US does not have jurisdiction over a UK based outlet of the same company as it is on sovereign soil and not US soil, now as the UK is pally pally with the US, it would most likely follow suit anyway. but id like to see your theory on what the office in china would do.

 

From what I've read from the previous linked thread, the only message I got was that Darth threatening to refund a 200 USD donation cuz he got busted speedhacking in Belulu. Yes, I've only skimmed through the pages (srsly, who would read 8 pages of troll this troll that topic?) And oh you've donated it and I highly agree that you shouldn't do a refund just cuz of obviouz reasonz. Its like giving a candy to a kid, then after he ate it, you want it back, it just doesn't make any sense. My 2 cents ~

 

AFAIK, WoW Scape used a system like "Micro-transaction" system to gain money, not just a simple donation. They put some items on the store, like ultimate-godly gears for people to buy. Yes they mentioned it as a donation but they didn't do it as a donation. They put the items for people to buy, not asking for a pure donation then they will give a reward.

While here, people donate. And as a thanks, they will get credits, which can be used to buy items. So "money for the items" and "reward for the pay" is likely the same, but totally different at the same time.

 

Lol no worries, it's true that they have offices all over the world. Doesn't really change that the game itself was produced by the Korean NCSoft. ^^ (AFAIK)

Blizzard got offices all over the world as well but they can't do much if the server ain't located in the US. Also it's a fact since the server I worked on had to relocated cause of it... Sadly it died out anyway lol it's the inevitable fate of every private server in the end...

Besides as I said NCSoft has never as far as I know even tried to close down private servers since they don't lose a lot from it... So unless they suddenly decide to shut down every single MMO of theirs except 1... Then I'd say we'd face the same fate as WoW private servers lol but the odds of that happening are very low...

 

Exactly. inched:

 

Blizzard vs WoW Scape. hmmm what happens here u give a (donation) for the promise of credits to buy items in game there for it falls under buying not donation anytime there's and exchange of money for a promised gift its not a donation

theres already won cases all over the world that state virtual goods are still good bought and sold there for are held to the same laws look it up

 

Eh... Not sure if I'm blind but I can't see the "Promise" of getting credits anywhere on the donation site... All I see is that they're thanking everyone donating... Honestly don't see a promise in there anywhere...

 

Yes i know most people donate for the credits, in indirect way, they're buying credits. Some people donate to really support the server though. But in this case Gamez didn't put the credits to be bought. Gamez ask for a mere donation and they give credits as a reward. So basically it's a "thank you for your support". For Scape, it's like "Thanks for your purchase".

 

Yep it's a big thank you... Now the important question is something or another... Can't remember... Lol

 

Acc unbaned. who solved my problem plz close this thread

 

They are not bought. they are given. just like the donation. it is given.

Also, it is credits You are given and not an In game item. they can still use the credits even if they can not use the Item, there for no sale of ITEMS has happened.

Its not that hard to grasp, so you still cant place it in the same category.

Its just like voting. you can vote and as a "thank you" they give us credits. which in turn we can use to exchange for items. even if we can not use the items. we can use the credits. and as credits are not part of NCsoft, they are a part of this website, then no law has been broken in regards of the sale of electronic items for the benefit of the player. regardless of how you look at it.

Wow scape is different you are still missing the point that wow scape was taken to court by Blizzard which are the copyright holders. thus there case does stand up in court as they own the rights.

Gamezaion does NOT own the rights to items, there for can not pursue anything in a court of law against a player, even if a player hacked the server and dragged the server code off it. Gamez legally couldn't do a thing about it as they do not own the rights to the server code.

Please stop dragging in a high profile case that has nothing to do with this.

Also as you keep saying that other cases have been won. please link to a case being won where by a Player has sued a Private server for not acquiring gifts from a donation. i think your going to be very hard pressed to find one as in a court of law. they would just throw it out as the server is as much at fault as the person donating to get items from it.

 

Darth -
Your thread was closed b/c I forwarded your info to Bryne and she handled this.

Check your ban appeal dear. :wink: