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aethertapping and some Gladiator skills

Discussion in 'Old Threads' started by Dagda02111, Jan 19, 2011.

  1. Dagda02111

    Dagda02111 Getting there

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    I really confuse with aethertapping and some skills (Gladiator)


    I’ve been gathering magical aether for a few time, I already collected over 520 magical aether, like 50 greater magical aether, 10 pure magical aether, 22 essences of wind and only 2 brilliant magical aether….

    I was checking the success rate of getting a brilliant magical aether and is 0.8% that’s mean 1/120 times, so far i must have over 6 or 7 but I only have got 2 is quite frustrating, because even with my vip account, the success rate is multiply by 200 (x200) that means 16% of getting brilliant magical aether (I believe) so 1 every 6 to 7 attempt...

    I honestly don’t really know how does really work, I’m just assuming...

    I hope someone check the success rate...

    I’m a Gladiator, and some of my skills doesn’t work, I know that 20% is the success rate of the part 3 of the chain, that means 1/5 times using that skill end the chain, but I tried, for example “Seismic Wave” “Wing Blade” which I need over 15 to 18 attempt to end the chain of every skill... also Rupture, which almost never show up, 12 try to get it...

    So I hope you can also check what’s wrong, and try to fix it :)

    Take care all :)


    Edit:


    I checked the difference of gather Magical Aether and Aether, well i get more often greater and pure also brilliant aether, than greater, pure and brilliant magical aether, and the success rate is the same!

    I'm just hopping to be checked, i mean is quite weird those insanity low rate of success in a high rate server, anyway is just my personal point of view.

    by the way, also the gladiators chain skills:S

    Tanks for your time :)
     
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    Kaimbe Well-Known Member

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    lol percentage doesnt work like that. If you dont get a brilliant on your first try, it doesnt mean that the percentage increases on the next try. it is still the same. Its a matter of luck, you could get 3 in a row does that mean that its 100% ? Nope just luck.
     
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    Tapping: The "200x" rates are for EXP, not rare percentage. You're just a bit unlucky, and technically speaking, with very low probabilities, the rates aren't cumulative so you'd get lower than the theoretical amount.

    And you're also probably unlucky with the chain skills, but it should be looked into.
     
  4. Dagda02111

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    Yes, it work like that, 10% means one out of ten tries...

    For example is there 50%-50% chance that means 1 our of 2 tries...

    So if there is 0.8% to succeed means 1 out of 120 (approx.) to get that brilliant magical aether, without counting x200 that gives the VIP account, so even without any “x”Plus I must have over 6 ot 7 brilliant magical aether not only 2...
     
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    Dagda02111 Getting there

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    http://www.aiondatabase.com/item/152000914#gathered-from

    Check this site if you add all the % it will get 100% so is not accumulative, is just a probability... but as I said, if the success rate is 10% means 1 out of 10 tries... even if there Is more items... for example if there is an item of 90% succed means 9 out of 10, so I should be getting that brilliant aether more ofthen... something is not working….
     
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    no it doesn't, Aion works off whats called a random number generator or rng. Meaning that percentage, only counts on that attempt not as a whole, it's as close to what you would call luck as a computer can get. Every time you use the move you have a 10% chance than the calculations begin again. You can have a string of it activating 20 times in a row or 0 in 50 tries just how it works sorry.
     
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    %are always close to the range!!!

    is true that you can get the brilliant for example in your 60 attempt, or in your 120 attempt (for example) but still is close to the range...

    For example if you throw a dice, you'll get 1/7 throws the number 7 it can be early or later, but still in the same range...

    brilliants aether seems to be at 0.25% of success...

    I'm right telling about the "%" because even in the computer works that way...

    the success change must be close to the probability (considering our server is a high rate server, it make even worst that thing)

    btw gathering is in the category of dropping? if thats so, means 16% success xD


    I hope they check it out, also about the chain skills!!!!!!! they are really screwed...

    My native language is spanish, so is hard for me make my self clear, i really know how "%" work, i just don't know which words to use...


    Take care all :)
     
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    In my aethertapping days i get 5 brilliants or more in 100 aethers
     
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    http://www.psychicscience.org/random.aspx

    Try by your self, you'll see I'm right it always work the same way.
     
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    :OOOOOOOOO

    Are you VIP, Premium or regular user?
     
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    your not understanding how the percentages work here.... lets put it this way if you have a 50 percent chance of procing lets say greater aether from gathering aether that means when you click the aether that time there is half a chance you will proc the greater. now after that goes through and you either proced it or didnt you click again to gather another piece of aether it then rolls the 50 percent chance again. it does not mean you will get the proc that time. EACH time you gather the percent is rolled it does not accumulate
     
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    Im hopping they check this out, someone told me that maybe being VIP makes that ridiculous success rate, i can't wait my VIP account end, till 21, then i hope i still with my premium account! (i also hope they already fix that)


    Good nigh all, or good morning take care, see you later.
     
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    I already know that!!!!!!!

    You are the one who doesn't know how "%" really work...

    google it, you'll see....

    roll a dice i bet u'll get 7 in less that 7 to 8 tries... (you are telling is not accumulative) i know...... but still "%" is the probability of something happen... 10% means 1/10 times 1% = 1/100 times there is 99% of something else, but still you have 1 shout out of 100... thats how they work, I can explain it better in spanish (my native language)

    the success rate is always close to the range 10% could easily be 1/10 or may be 1/9 or 1/11 or somethig like that... but 2 brilliant ather out of almost 600 attempts????? means 1 every 300 tries... so 0.3% instead of 0.8%
     
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    your still missing it >.> it rolls every single time you click to collect it so you click and it rolls the 1/10 you click again and it rolls the 1/10 again so that does not mean if you click 10 times you will get one.... you can roll all 10 times and not get it since the percent is factored each time seperately
     
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    Yes! I do know that

    As i said you can get it faster or slower, if you are wishing to get a 7 with tow dices, you can get it at the first time, or may be at your 7 attempt, but still according with probabilities, if it is a 10% chance then is more likely to get it in less than 10 attempts or even 10, even if you miss it, is close to that range.

    For example 1/1,000,000 the probability to get what you want in one shot is almost impossible, is more likely that you wont get it... but if you try for 1,000,000 that 1 chance to happen will happen, even if 1 is always divide by 1,000,000, otherwise probabilities should not exist cause you are talking about luck, luck does not exist, probabilities are almost perfect, an other example, 1% means 1/100, 1 out of 100 chances an event happen, if you make the same process 100 times your will get always that chance...


    google about probabilities, it seems you don't know how actually work. I know they are dived 1/100 every single time (in this example) but still 100 events occurred and you get 1 single shot out of 100 attempts...

    search really...

    I know I'm not explaining well, but you can look for it, my language is spanish, so is hard for me make my self clear...


    Anyway I hope they check it, also about gladiators skills.
     
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    10&#37 means 10 % 10 percent.
     
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    You're missing the logic behind percentages.

    Let's use an example. If you have a 50percent chance for something, there's a very high chance that you'd get it on the first try. If it were a 33percent chance, the chance would still be relatively high that you'd get it on the first try. Now, lower that rate to 1percent and under: Chances of being "lucky" are much, much lower. It's the difference between theoretical and actual probability.

    Also, please stop double-posting. Edit button = your friend <3
     

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