1.9-2.0 Stigmas System is needed?

Not gonna lie here, your opinion reflects your lack of knowledge about how the game is played and how it's built. You obviously did not look at the new stigmas, or perhaps you don't have any understandings of the finer workings of PvP combat in Aion, but your statements reflect nothing but ignorance.

You don't see 50% of the population as gladiators because they are "only okay" that's for sure.

Edit: lawlz@teh 5x is a "life sucking" server. Someone never played live. Your opinion is flawed from the start. You obviously want it easymode for a few classes and not balance. I mean really. Put some thought into it. I dare you.

 

Honestly, I started respecting you at the beginning and lost it at the end. for one thing, option 2 is leave everything alone. Second thing, no adv stigmas is a horrible idea, we have that on crystal right now and it sucks. You seem to contradict yourself. You want nothing to change, yet you want to pick auto stigmas. And lastly, you group everyone who voted yes (61 people) into my "buds" when I only know 4 or 5 of them. And I did not tell them they are wrong, I respect the idea that adv stigmas might force a few classes to pick up a bugged skill for a better skill on the tree, essentially giving them one less skill. But we can fix that skill. I never said...you are wrong and deserve to die.

Finally, you say you came here because you love the feautres of the server. I came here because I love the community. It would be just as unfair to say leave because we will have stigmas to you as it would be for you to say leave to me because we will keep stigmas. Obviously I am here still, so please do not act pretentious. Keep the discussion respectful. And BUMP for more people to vote.

I dropped a message by Carl asking what his ideas are, so lets just keep voting and see what happens from here.

 

ok

First Myxx, you couldnt be more right. I am pretty much COMPLETELY ignorant of Aion I have been playing for 4 days. Played L2 off for 3 years and not new to games. So spot on to you good call, what I DO know is I like the setup on this server and I dont want it to suddenly stop being fun because of the vocal minority. Thats all I was saying. Have a good one.

Rg9400 I dont disagree with you much about the advanced stigma situation, and I could care less about you respecting me or not honestly. I just pointed out that how you attack people who disagree with you by tearing down their words and this bad habbit of telling everyone how they contradict themselves and the fact that its kind of toolish.

Having said that, I want to officially agree with you that it would suck to have a bunch of imba cannons running around with all advanced stigma skills instead of having to pick. Nuff said.

P.S. Myxx, its called "im right and everyone else is wrong" Stop riding up on his sack so hard.

 

It's called an argument. You know, where people present both sides as best they can, and also point out flaws in the other's argument?

 

Hey just pitching in something that I don't think may have been noticed (given, I didn't read through the 15+ pages to check). But I've noticed there are non-english speaking players on the server and they might not read the forums/can't read english very well so they can't state their opinion.

I'm not taking sides here as I'm fairly new to the server myself, well the game really. I've only been playing for about 2 weeks now so whether or not the GMs decide to take off auto stigmas or not, I'll manage somehow. Just my 2 cents.

 

My two cents worth!

Well personally i have been looking at this thread off and on for the last couple days, seems like people feel real strongly about one thing or the other. For what its worth (if anything) I'll add my opinion.

I believe certain classes are not incredibly OP in the game as it is now. I've seen people stating that "50% of this server is glads." While there is a decent amount of glads in the game i don't believe this actually matters. From what I see (Yes, my main is a glad) people aren't really that great with them. Although others seem to love going around shouting "OP OP OP," they're actually not that bad. What I mean by this is that a glad will still have a hard time (depending on how skilled one player is, or isn't) beating certain classes. What I would consider OP is a glad who can whack down any and everyone in his/her path, and this is not the case. I find it very hard to beat a ranger who is good at kiting, and a sorc who can time his disables well, and I find it near impossible to kill a good SM. Yet, I truly do not see any class with an amazing advantage over every other class. What it all comes down to, is a lot of creativity, and a decent amount of luck, and a good ping always helps. (I used glads as an example since people seem to talk about them the most, and thats the class which I know most about.) The reality is that no one class holds incredible power over all others, and an update will NOT change this, but may only carve deeper into the power that one class holds over the other, or reverse it.

Now, the future of pvp with all of the auto-learn stigmas. I, honestly believe that some people would leave if the system goes unchanged for this next update, BUT this does not mean people wont leave if the system CHANGES for this next update. I like the idea of a normal working stigma system for the next update. Without it the fighting would become chaotic, again I don't think any one class would greatly surpass all others (and yes yes i did look at the stigma planner). Chaotic, I think, is the best way to describe it, seeing as there are simply too many skills.

I think aegis stated it best.

I would like to see, as I have previously stated, a working stigma system, with auto learn skills (if it is possible). Also, i would like to see either 1. all stigmas dropping or 2. stigmas in a store. I don't hold the radical idea that keeping the current system for v1.9 will RUIN (RUIN I TELL YOU RUIN) the server, nor do I believe that changing it will DESTROY the basis on which the server was founded.

And please, for those who disagree, don't try to find holes in my argument, because this ISN'T one, just my opinion. Thaaaaanks!

 

i like your wall of post.

 

Bumpity bump bump cmon 204 people viewed it. I want lots of votes so devs can see the opinion of a good sampling of the server, not just 100 people, although it clearly shows that almost 70% want this fixed. Once again, would like some inside info as to what the devs r thinking.

 

I think people will only realize how terrible having all stigmas is when insignias are removed.

 

Bumpity bump bump to get as many votes in 5 days as possible.

 

Bump again. PLEASE VOTE. I want as many votes as possible before the 21st.

 

I'm pretty sure they're gonna implement a stigma system. No reason not too.

 

I think that they will HAVE to when 1.9-2.0 comes and a bunch of people /ragequit because of how unfair and horrible pvp will become. My main point of this thread is so that they implement it WITH 1.9-2.0. That way, as people get used to the new novelties, the new 50+ skills, etc., they are also getting used tot his system. It will just be another part of the update. However, doing it after the update not as a preventative measure but as a reaction, people will get confused easily. But yeah, after talking to a lot of people, it looks like this will be implemented. To the 34 people who voted no, since these skills are not even available on NA retail yet, I hope you will enjoy how this system adds a whole new level of fun. I think your no was misguided, but if you truly feel that auto learn is better, I hope you guys stay here to still enjoy the pvp as I stayed when auto learn was there for 1.5.

 

Bump /10char

 

why ppl witch play on crystal server can vote too. they are trying to destroy our server. every1 want have all stigma on hight rate pvp server its more better.

 

Hmm i voted No...

Im lazy, otherwise ill go Crystal for it.


IF it gets implemented, remove free fly to.

 

If there is no system, no point in playing anything other then a sorc or ranger.

 

I have decided to stay on crystal now. I could not give a carp about this server now. I think that if stigmas are not fixed, it will simply become a server to test stigma builds out for crystal.

 

I don't think the people against stigmas fully realize how true this is.

 

(This may apply more for gamez than crystal as i dont know the rates in crystal)

I think stigmas would improve PvP because they add variety to characters and make you customize your character in different possible ways, but their implementation is dangerous and must be handled with care!

Fast explanation: Adjustments have to be done for stigma stones and shards to be more accesible, proporcionate to the high rate of the server, so that newer characters can have their stigma skills wiuthout exposiong themselves to enemies that even being lvl50 as well, are an unfair threat.

Let me explain my points a bit more if you are interested:

• Older characters that have been on PvP for weeks or months will have gathered enough AP to get their advanced stigma stones from the very moment it is implemented, but new characters won't.

• In a High rate server, in two or three days you can lvl your character to 50. If lvl to 50 is that fast, getting stigma stones should be accordingly faster to get than in retail.

• If i have 500~ stigma shards and need 1500 more, getting them is going to be a slow process, in contrast to character lvling itself. The best way to get more then is to make another char, and do a silver of darkness quest to get 500 more shards, and again and again or gather them from abyss mobs.

• If i have to gather stigma shards in the abyss i will be at unfair risk because characters that have all their stigmas can camp those mobs and knowingly kill the characters trying to gather shards.

• A new character can get to lvl50 fast and then it can only get similar LVL PvP in the abyss and heiron/beluslan but those areas maybe very well full of characters with their stigma build complete. This makes it very hard for new characters to get about 50k AP to get their advanced stigma stones!

• New lvl50 characters are low rank in the abyss. Getting AP is like XP, the higher rank you are the more AP is on the table per kill, so a lot of PvP with similar chars has to be done, if you find them.

• Stigma stones have the prices they have because in retail 1x rate servers you would have a lot of time to PvP from lvl25 till lvl50, and during that time you would be doing PvP with similar lvl chars, in your same situation. Then, 40k AP for your final stigma stone is a fair price, but in a server where you lvl all the way to 50 in a weekend or less, the price is absolutely unbalanced.

• New chars that reach lvl50 should have their advanced stigma skills with a proporcionate amount of work for a high rate server. Otherwise they would go to PvP where they can't tell what enemies are similar to them and which are not because all are same lvl but some are like them (in need of AP) and others have all their skills. PvP is going to be unbalanced for them, and they'll end up giving up and leaving.

All of this make getting the necesary AP for advanced stigmas an uncertain and slow process, in contrast to the fast and steady XP you get when you are lvling the character.


To avoid the problems i mentioned, i think stigma stones should be sold only for khina, normal and advanced, and shards should be sold as well by the npcs that sell the stones.

Please let me know what you think, if you think like me or not so that a good and polite discussion can be made to see whats best for the server. Thanks!