Using .faction and /shout for trades.

Hello, as the title says, we're gonna talk about .faction and /shout.

First of all, i will start with a screenshot, my conversation with "Means"

http://tinyurl.com/factionchat1

As you know, Means is part of the staff, he is GM or AM. (i dont know how "GM" are called on GamezAion)

Since then, i used .faction for trades (as i said, no spamming, just clicking my macro once at 1 min or 2)

Today (after 2 days i asked Means if i can use .faction for trades), Cantrix pmed me, telling me that i'm not allowed to use .faction chat for trades.

Now you guys can tell me? I can use it, or not ?

Cantrix told me that "The .faction chat has no cooldowns, you can't use it for trades"

I told him that, /3 (Looking for Group) is not even a channel for trades, /2 (Trade) is the original chat to use it for trades.

Also, i told him that, if he come in sanctum and he stay 10 min... he won't be able to see what other people say...because of /shout spammers.

I said... "Can you please stop those players who use /shout for trades? that channel has no cooldowns and is wasn't made for trades"

He told me: "Tell me theyr names, the ones who use /shout"

My question: Did you warned them ? the ones i gave you theyr names?

Again, both screenshots that they (GM or AM... i dont know) contradict eachothers.

http://tinyurl.com/factionchat1

http://tinyurl.com/factionchat2

Can i have one reply from Cantrix and Means, telling me... (when they both think clear) and tell me...

1. I can use .faction for trading? (no spamming)
2. Did the guys from /shout channel got warned? (if so... i'll give you lists every day) i'm not joking... i'm pissed off.
3. Can you put cooldown on .faction chat and /shout? especially /shout, since we can't even talk in sanctum in normal chat...the text going up like crazy!!!
4. Can you GM, AM...whatever...do your homework and dont give wrong answers next time? (Cantrix)

Sorry for my english, i'm dont speak the language perfectly. I hope you'll understand what i wrote.

I'm really pissed off... Means told me i can use .faction, Cantrix told me i can't.


(And please, tell me how i can post in trade section in forum, i can't see the thing to select server and "WTT/WTS")

 

Would be cool if they actually made a public list of all the rules. Seems like not even the staff members have one, not the first time they gave contradictory answers. It went as far as Alente saying that unless it comes from an admin it has no meaning (aka staff has no purpose and admins aren't around anyway)

There is an extensive list of server rules here
http://forum.gameznetwork.com/f2/[official]-server-rules-21-7-a-87934/

It says absolutely nothing about channels or trades besides this one line
"Do not spam at all in-game, this includes trade spam."

So yea, at least players would be aware of these regulations and could look them up on their own. There is no way of knowing if it is not written down as a rule anywhere

 

As I already explained to you in-game after long, the main issue was about you using the .faction command for "spamming" market shouts, taking advantage of it since it doesn't have cooldown, furthermore using the LFG command after it which pretty much fall under the No Spamming rule.

It was wrong of me to not explain it to you clearer when we were on the matter but I did afterwards after a talk with another AionMaster to clarify the things regarding the .faction command.

And as I already told you in-game which I am enlightened by AM Deathangel, you are fine to use the .faction command as long as it does not violate any of our server rules which on this case, you did, that is why my warning still stands.

 

@Uehara think the server rules need a lot more clarification when it comes to trades, in terms of what channels are allowed to be used for trading and what constitutes "spamming". The frequency is not defined anywhere.

Edit: To be honest I would delegate only 1 channel for trading (so it can be disabled) and set a hard coded cooldown so they literally can't post more often than you allow them to. Posting trades in any other channel can be reported and dealt with. That way it would actually have a structure you can follow.

 

http://tinyurl.com/factionchat3

I didn't know that, if i use /3 then .faction together... is against rules. However... when i told you, i continue using .faction, i clicked my macro once...you gave me "final warning" and i didn't used /3 and .faction at that time.

 

Your screenshot explains to you the warning given to you. Disregard that "Final Warning". It was given when things weren't clear to me so I take that back.

 

True... I suggested to remove the .faction chat because it's useless... They just say stupid things on it and trades.
Also /3 isn't better... because it's LFG(Looking for Group) , not "Trade" , neither "Market" ...etc.
One more thing... i can't understand why he is "rude" , he just asked you to warn those guys too. Maybe we enjoy to stay at Sanctum warehouse but we can't ... because of 9999 messages per second.

 

To answer your questions -

1 - If its not SPAMMING (See, 1 message every few minutes is acceptable. One every 1second to 2 minutes? Not so much) then I don't see why not.
2 - I have NO idea if Cantrix/Meanz issued warnings or punishment for those spamming. I will be happy to look into this.
3 - It has been mentioned to Carl that it needs removed/a cooldown in place.
4 - While I appreciate the half-hearted insult towards a staff member, theres always a better way to give criticism, positive or negative. Instead of telling them to do their homework, why not try to help them, especially since you have to deal with them on a daily basis? Helping others only helps yourself in the end in this scenario - Try to look into those means unless you really want to invoke my anger, eh?

And I will add in -

Based on the screenshots I DID see? You got let off easily with no punishment. If it'd have been me I would have 12 hour banned you for harassment to staff. Just going to add that in there.

 

See, as Vil said, you CAN use faction for trades. However, spamming it is not cool. Neither is spamming Shout, /2, /3 and .faction all together. If Cantrix told you that you should take it easy with the shouts, it most certainly was because you were spamming several chats (As she already pointed out in her picture).

When you asked, you said it yourself: "(No spam)".

Maybe our points of view when it comes to spamming are different, but that doesn't really matter. If I saw you spamming, I'd have given you a warning too.

Furthermore, being rude to a staff member will never end well for you. As Vil already said, rather than being rude, try help them. We're online on a daily basis and you guys get to talk to us almost every day.

 

When he told me to stop using .faction for trades... i used /3, and .faction... that was my mistake, i didn't know that using both of them together is spam. He could tell me that.

After he told me to stop using .faction, i ONLY used .faction, and not /3 too after that... then he gave me warn. Practically warned because i used .faction alone.

I understand you guys got your back together...but dont take it like i'm the last trash. I didn't harrassed him, i just told him... if i got warn for that... he could go in sanctum just for 10 min and ban everyone there. (any player can confirm that you can't even talk like normal persons in sanctum...FULL spam).

I said i'm sorry, won't happen again. Cantrix said he made a mistake, too...but you still have to tell me that i would've get banned if you were in his place.

Can you guys put cooldown at .faction, /shout (please.... put cd at shout) so you won't need to "warn" anyone who "spam" ? Is not hard to do that... i don't understand why you don't do it.

 

Still think trade regulations should be a part of the server rules thread. Then everybody would have a point of reference and a clear idea as to what the rules are. As long as rules are not written down, you won't know what to believe.

 

Good that you guys sorted it out.

'Problem' resolved.

 

The screenshot Vildiil was talking about is this:

When you were told nicely to not use the faction command, you came at me and called us attention whores. And the rest are as follows.

When you are told by a staff on what and what not to do, if you have questions, ask nicely. If you don't have, follow.

You got the answers you're looking for from one of our Seniors.

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