World Domination II

there should be an evil laugh after you said those words.
hahahaha

 

The downfall of humanity

 

well i prefer both...
they would make a whole..

 

This is literally the hardest thing I'd ever have to decide on but I'm a chick so I think the top-half human part is enough for me

Or y'know, just:
4) annihilation

 

I like how you think.

I am still wondering though what tactical advantage it would have to have sirens or sirens reversed.

 

Lmao you really think aliens will ever come here? You should learn little chemistry and physics.
The way universe works just doesn't allow speeding up big things like mass anywhere close to the speed of light. So in order for anything stable to move great distances for reasonable amount of time, you'll have to bend the reality by either generating an enormous point of gravity (black hole) or making a worm hole, which is teoretically possible if you can stretch the strong force of two perfectly similar elementary particles to the desired distance. The trick is you'll still need to power up that strong force so it won't diminish, by bombarding both particles with photons in a propostrous scale and hope they absorb enough energy from these encounters... something we simply can't do at the moment. There is a third possibility and that is for us to become a primal energy beings, which frankly seems like a far cry ripper off from some sci-fi movie.

What we have tried so far:
First there is propulsion based on the well known methods of producing vector movement - rocket engine. With this one you create an explosion and send it in some direction to make certain object propell itself away from the exaust gasses, thus moving the object in the opposite direction. Pretty simple but too weak to create a serious speed. Also this method can be used with let's say... nuclear fuel and produce a very very serious speeds, but it'll eventually run out of fuel and that'll be the roof of the flight speed it can reach. There is the method we use from the beginning of our time - gravity, which is not as complicated as some people think. Why big things like planets attact small things? People call it gravity, I call it planet level magnatic field. You have a planet with lets say roughly stable magnetic field. It's common sense that no matter what kind of stuff is moving around it'll have some charge, wether positive or negative, it doesn't matter. It'll get attracted by the magnetic field of the planet and that's that. We can use this to speed up any vector with the right math, but this kind of speed up process takes too long to be of any use to our weak poorly energized bodies.

So all in all at this point in time there is no way we are going to move anything human anywhere past the solar system. And if we can't do it knowing all there is to know about the stable matter, I can bet my left eye it's impossible to do.

P.S. The probability of extraterrestrial life visiting us is just about the same as for us to visit some other inhabited planet. You should get rid of that inferiority complex about us being worse than other life forms that exist somewhere out there

 

i'm sure a caveman would think the same thing if you suggested Wi-FI to them...impossible

 

By probability you assume that all form of possible civilization do not have more than 10.000 years of effective evolution (effective I mean as a defined species). You assume that no civilization could be a mere 1000 years older maybe more advanced than us. Our technology as we understand it has no more than 500 or so years, if we manage to survive the next 100, we do not know what we could do. Add it a 1000 more, you cant guess the multiple possibilities, if we don't screw up first.

You could argue and say that physics laws do not change, but just for you to know, about 10 or so years it was discovered a super cold region in space where light was slower than its demonstrated speed; in that region reality as we know it do not apply, because one of the 4 constants of the universe changed. Then here, they tried the same by slowing a laser beam speed with Freon gas, and for a mere millisecond its speed was lowered a couple fractions. What this proves is that there are conditions where those laws can be circumvented, if not avoided.

All I think is that, while I would need evidence seen by my eyes in a way that cant be denied of aliens presence in our system, I wont accept the typical claim of vox populy that they are here. But I cant and I wont deny that the probability of existence of a maybe more advance race than ours is feasible. After that, is how we desire for that to be, some like you think that their presence here is unjustified simply by means, I on the other hand think that there is no purpose for them to come to us, we are still too primitive to be of interest. Now, the concepts of war and destruction, conquest and consumption we assume exist only in our vocabulary and way of life, but the possibility of not being unique to our species is as high as the flip of a coin; Hence you can simply accept it or not accordingly your values and set ideas and have fun with it, which is what I am doing in this thread.

It is good to consider that if there is an alien civilization, they don't have to think in our terms, they might not even share concepts with us, its a big unknown that we can only theorize about.

Now, I'll be careful with assuming complexes or prefixed ideas in another person you don't know, that you aren't acquainted with; that is called judging, and is usually associated with whatever idea you have of me, has to do more with you than with me.

 

someone googled a bit, ugh.

dude... just don't.

 

Well, no. I just don't want to put up a lecture that'll take like 5 hours to write up in it's entirety xD

And for Ddraig. I don't talk about technology, nor about evolution, also not about your ideas... it's about the basics. Do you know why the light moves as the speed of light? Because it's not composed of solid atoms and because of one other reason - it comes from stars. That means it's launched by a nuclear explosions so big that we'll never ever be able to reproduce them with the limited resources of you puny planet. I'm sure all of you managed to put two and two together. When energy solidifes into mass, it becomes a lot harder to move around. How big of an explosion do you think we need to propell an atom like that? Or even something bigger like a space ship? Absolutely zero. The only way I personally view as remotely possible is for us to evolve as life forms in a way that allows us to decompose mass into energy in a conscious way, not by the chemical processing our organisms use atm and limit our lives so severely. But that is... remotely possible at best xD And if it's remotely possible at best for us, there is no reason to assume it's nor the same for every other life out there. Ofc when you're talking about "If"s, anything is possible

I think this will be more than enough to clarify what I said on my first post.

P.S. Oh and by the way... the is no such thing as a volume in space that is a lot cooler than vacuum. I'll tell you why that is ofc. I presume you know about the qualities of vacuum and how it has the same temperature everywhere because it's the same thing. The vacuum we have here is the same as the vacuum that is on the other side of the galaxy and on the other side of the universe. And also vacuum means "nothing", zero. So that makes it the dead bottom of the temperature measurements. Also we need to define what temperature is, cause most people probably have no idea. Heat, hence temperature is an energy by product of movement done within the quarks that compose elementary particles like p, n and e. So when they move the way they do their magnetic fields move as well. When they move faster because they get bombarded with some sort of elementary particles (photons for example /fire. sun rays/), their MFs move faster as well. The amount of this movements present at certain point in space is called temperature. The lowest temperature known to man is that of a "nothing" called "perfect vacuum". The only possible explanation to what you said is for a very large volume of perfect vacuum to be present somewhere. That'll mean there are almost zero present magnetic fields to interact with the passing photons, thus leaving them with their original speeds. Seems legit in theory, but to be completely sure I'll ask my physics professor next time I see him xD

P.S.2 While I wouldn't dismiss certain theories if they have some perspective, I just can't turn my eyes away from the fact before me... and they are these - we are stuck on a god damn mud ball with virtually no present way of getting away from it the way we are. When I first thought about it, it felt like everything lost it's meaning. Why do we exist, if we can't go and explore, map, cathegorize and exploit all there is to exploit around this universe? Why are we doomed to die frozen to death when our sun stops heating our planet? Or right we won't because the god damn gas ball with first expant and fry us all... then you think "oh wait! I'll be dead by then, so why should I care?". And with the silent denial we pretty much make our most basic instincts of existing and reproducing meaningless. This is my reality and my way of looking into this planet and it's funny inhabitants that only try to kill and eat each other. So I'm trying my hard to escape this materialistic mess, is to make a world where this bull shit won't occur. Sure any world made by a man won't last long by default, but it exists in a perfect way. That is the only way I feel I can contribute to all of us who live on this planet (thus I'll become a game developer, just so I can help people who want to escape this mess, do it in an enjoyable way). And do you know what I think about you Ddraig? I think you know the same truth I know. The only difference is you unlike me prefer to use those tiny glitches in our knowledge that I boldly called "IF"s as an escape route out of the same mess we all live in. Ofc my analysis is only valid for myself and is based on my rather limited field of "vision"...

 

With the explanation of Vacuum you gave I dont have to take you seriously anymore. For one the temperature of "vacuum" in space is 3 degrees kelvin, the lowest ever registered is 0.4k and varies from place to place. Second the density of outer space is 5 × 10~6 molecules per cubic meter. You are ignoring the background radiation, QCD vacuum, Electromagnetic radiation (that travels at speed of light by the way), and I could go on and on... but I wont.

And on top of everything, this is Hot Spam, I could paint the universe pink here for all I care; you wanna be serious go to the serious discussion.

Now with all due respect, I will return to my mechanized anti alien head dogs in a jar.

 

My explanation is ripped from a god damn physics book dude, and it seems as legit as it can possible get, but meh xD I only have some old books, professors and the net to count on and as I said, "perfect vacuum". Don't troll so much

Btw imho you have a way better chance of conquering the world with dog robots, than meeting an alient That is if we don't get our hands on some of these frozen bacteria on Mars xD

 

Why..did this turn from dog robots to physics? Dog robots I....well I don't understand but I understand them more than physics...x_X

 

I have a subscription to a monthly scientific news magazine, one of the serious ones... I am a sucker for quantum theory and other nearly non understandable sh!t that happens in reality... All in all, I love a good discussion about this, and I can take my hat off no problem to anyone, but it has to make sense, and be backed up properly.

The aliens are a good assumption as any. The jar head dogs are a funny stupidity, but from scifi perspective quite intriguing.

If I wanted to conquer the world, it would be better to do it via social media and other crap, where I can tell people that there is a god with a white beard that created the universe and people will take as FACT!... but go and tell them the paint is wet, they need to try and touch it first. You actually do not need aliens of jar dog head in a overpowered robot suit, just stick to the basic and people falls and the money flows. THEN you throw them the robots with dog heads in a jar.

@Puddles: Yes, we will try to be on topic with the robots with dog heads in a jar.

 

Your theory is indeed correct. Too bad for the humanity tho xD
As for the jar dog thing - might seem like a funny concept, but it's not out of reach...

@Miss Puddles - nothing too complex about physics. The complex stuff is when you try to learn all the bollox people named after themselves. If you keep an explanation about it on an "Aperture Science Labs" level, everybody will understand it xD