Changes for Lumiel

It will make no sense if Lumiel would keep stigma system after moving to EU. Siel = US no stigma and Lumiel EU with stigma? wtf? Keep the Lumiel on US host and keep the stigma system or move Lumiel to EU host and remove stigma imo.

 

more events
more incentives
free server transfer for those that contributes ideas to make lumiel better

 

no VIP status...all item can be traded

 

free server transfer from Siel to Lumiel(only those who contribute ideas on these forum) is enough meng. and max'd crafting(everything for those who contribute too)

 

Making it full stigma aint a bad idea as well..
2 power house identical servers where ppl can choose to transfer anytime is indeed a game changer. Id say do that.

 

It's really nice that we have this democratic system; I like it .
Anyways, my input isn't about Lumiel specifically. I'd like to suggest in the new update to make all items remo-able as many times as you want. For example, right now we're getting stuck with remodeled items that cannot be remo'd again so it's a waste.

 

I'm going to mention this just once, as Both Akikaze and Bordy have said so already: this thread is not a place for you to argue or bicker at each other, and it is DEFINITELY not a place for racial slurs. I should have infracted some of you, but I resisted. Barely. This thread was created in order for Carl to get an accurate vote of what each individual player wants, and I'm going to assume that he left it open for players to make suggestions that would help to attract new players to Lumiel, as that is the goal. Each player/user is entitled a decision and an opinion of which you have neither the right nor the privilege to call them out on, you may attempt to persuade them, but that is pretty much it. They made their decision and it does not really concern anyone else besides themselves and Carl, as he is the one who asked the question itself.

For the topic, I've yet to vote myself yet, I'm still reading and trying to make up my mind on which to choose, however I share many little tidbits of opinions of many of you here, and I'll try not to make this an essay so I'll not quote anything (it takes up too much space).

I personally disagree with the Insta-65. My main worry is that it would be preferable to increase the xp rates themselves, because if a new player were to come here, with absolutely nothing but his starting set, since he's already level 65 he would not be able to get the questionnaires which to new players, contain some pretty nice stuff that they can actually use. I wouldn't mind starting at level 65 if those items would be inside the inventory upon starting or if they were to be gained by another questionnaire, but unless that happens, no to that.

I understand the view of many European players that would certainly benefit from this being moved to Europe, however there is the problem as many have brought up before myself that if Lumiel were to remain with it's Stigma System, than those who would wish to play with the Stigma System who live in NA/West Coast would be forced to either leave Gamez altogether or risk the extra ping just to play on their beloved Lumiel. I don't really see how this decision of "just moving Lumiel" would keep existing players. The goal is to gain new ones, I understand, but we need the population to increase, not remain the same. However I agree with Lumiel becoming a replicate of Siel, for possible people who wished to play on Siel, but couldn't because of ping. Who knows, that's just one risk that I can see. Although, most of my friends here are European, especially @Ayaria, so I understand completely that a European server would be wonderful. But in order for my vote for Yes, drastic changes would need to take place.

I agree with K on the Godstones, there are many times that I wish that Godstones did not exist in Aion, however I love it when mine proc so I'm torn. My biggest complaint is with Bards and Gunners, to my knowledge both of these classes were nerfed on retail and were supposed to be nerfed here as well, but have not. The Godstones just add to the pain that they already inflict, but as a cosmetic item (weapon effects) they're really cool. However, as Deathangel said, they are the Joker of Aion, so I can't really agree completely on them being taken out. Supposedly, the new Governor Armor, as seen on Aiondatabase, has Godstone Suppression stats, hopefully that helps.

Free Transfers: Great Idea, but easily abused as Vesiinabox mentioned. Could fully enchant your accessories to +5 without fail, when the whole idea of the enchantment rate of Tempering Solutions (Again, just assuming the economical tactics of NCsoft) is meant for players to spend tons of money to get items that fail many times. The more times you fail, the more times you need to buy one, the more money they get. From a money standpoint of Gamez, I think that wouldn't work, this server would lose considerable income without people buying all of those TS. I know that they were duped and many +5 sets exist now, however, people still buy them, and people still fail.

From a Southern Californian with ~75ms on Siel, and a player who started here on Gamez with the Stigma System Disabled, as well as never played on Lumiel, I can't really say no or yes yet. So, I'm just looking for a good counter-argument that will sway me to one side. I've seen a lot of great ideas, some bad ones, but at the moment, I'm about 60% yes, 40% no; I am leaning towards Yes just for the benefit of all of my European friends and acquaintances, but that's still not enough for me. You may disagree with me on a few things, however that's just how I see it. Feel free to convince me otherwise. I'll be reading everything, so that I can find something awesome.

 

If we go by this logic then nothing should be disabled ever including the part where players should be able to get the currently best PvP items with medals and AP because THEY ARE PART OF THE GAME.

Buffs from other classes matters a lot. You probably never entered BG to fight against someone as good as you but the opponent has every single support chanter buffs including WoW.

Exactly my point, you made everyone get free buffs from NPCs which made this problem even worse.

Again, if we go by this logic, then Gamez shouldn't have went "retail like" way back because WE ARE NOT RETAIL AND OUR SERVER POLICY IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT...

You don't get my point. AMs only host event at the time when they feel like it. What I'm talking about are SCHEDULED and OFFICIAL events that goes on every day or week or every month in the same date and same time of the day, SCHEDULED EVENTS.

You're not looking at the bigger picture. Implementing them AUTOMATICALLY isn't always the ONLY WAY. You can wipe AP, kill count and possibly GP of a SINGLE CHARACTER, can't you?

Do I have to explain it word by word what I'm trying to say here? Fine.
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I have 1M AP and wants 1k crit strike scrolls. Is it so hard for me to PM a staff member who can wipe my AP and then give me the equivalent consumables? Instead of creating custom NPCs that's prone to abuse.

Surama wasn't dropping a few weeks before I left, at least not every part of it. Same goes for Bakarma spear. I tried to farm those together with Kosame, Yusama, Nujabes and Satt. That's 3 VIPs in the group, 3 runs and got nothing. Can you really call this a bad luck on a HIGH RATE SERVER?

Ari, have you really forgotten that there was once a time where Elyos had all the fortress in Inggison and Gelkmaros? IIRC you were even there when the Elyos killed Mastarius, a few of them has the quest and didn't get the quest item.

Again you don't get my point. Is everyone willing to spend huge amount of credits for costumes? No they are not. Even if you put them on BCT, it doesn't mean you're gonna have hard time making them the prizes for your events since there would still be a lot of people who'd prefer not to spend their hard earned credits and wait for events instead.

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Like if you put a GM costume on the shop for 4k credits, you think everyone is going to buy it? No, because it's expensive but at least the SOURCE EXIST. If you put it this way, you can still attract a lot of players to join your event with the same prize because a lot of them can't afford it.

Way to stick with your belief that "if I want to play stigma server, I'd rather play retail". Now you say you want to play on Lumiel for the sake of not losing an argument, classic.

I'm not trying to suggest to copy !Aion from start to finish. Did you see me suggesting removing WotC which doesn't exist in !Aion? No. Did you see me suggesting getting toll/credits/mights on kills which is the way !Aion PvP works? No. Did you see me suggesting having toll/credits/mights as prizes for PvP tournaments just like !Aion? No. Because I understand it's not going to work here.

I'd like you to quote where I'M CALLING PEOPLE SHIT or SAYING THE SERVER SUCKS because I don't remember saying such things.
You probably missed the part where I said this

I think it's more of a valid reason than another person's reason who never even played on Lumiel yet.

You two is making it pointless to suggest anything good here because the way it works. If I suggest something that's similar to another server regardless if it's working well and regardless if it's actually possible to do, one of you is going to say no to it because we are not that server and we don't want to copy that server. Really, what kind of logic is this? If this is the way you two thinks then Gamez shouldn't have added BGs at all BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME AS OTHER PRIVATE SERVERS even tho it's a good thing. All for the sake of not copying something from another private server you won't implement it. Kind of ironic coming from a private server.

If I suggest something that's haven't been tried by another private server, you're going to say it's not possible to do or it's not gonna work even tho it hasn't been tried yet.

The only suggestions left are the ones that has been suggested so many times before that's never been implemented causing Lumiel to die. It kills the whole point of this thread because you're not open to suggestions that is new to Gamez just because it's based from another private server. You know, just go browse the old suggestions in this forum that never got a chance to be tried if you're not willing to take new ones anyway.

 

A free ONE-TIME transfer from siel to lumiel would be great. contributor or not. I think a lot of people in siel (including me) are willing to transfer regardless of improvements, they just want population. To avoid possible abuse, make it so that the free transfer will lock their account from transfering for maybe a month or two, forcing them to play in lumiel, and paying the regular transfer payment after that month if they wish to transfer back to siel.
And for newcomers trying the servers, maybe a 15day nontradable, nonsalvagable set better than the supposed starter set.
Implementing ingame events frequently like this alchemy stuff can also keep them playing. Focusing on rewarding things for early gearing.
For the debate on stigma or not. I think it won't help if you remove stigma on lumiel. I mean, it won't be lumiel anymore, right?
And I say nay to the EU lumiel server because of my ping (and most other asian/NA players).

 

You know what I like seeing? Serious threads getting closed because people can't talk in it without getting into heated ad hominem arguments.

 

I'll just summarise the pro's and con's of moving a server to Europe, as objectively as possible.

Good potentials

• Advantage for existing EU players. Boost in ping reduction.
• Opportunity to attract new players from the EU region.
• Opportunity for existing Siel players to play on Lumiel due to closer server location.

Bad consequences

• Disadvantage for existing Asian players. Increase in latency/ping.
• Loss of potential players from the Asian region.
• Existing Asian/S.American players could shift to Siel.

Uncertain factors

• As NA servers exist right now to be middle ground between South America, Asia and Europe. Would a server in Europe grab more players?
• What is the player region distribution over the past 6months on Lumiel. Is it Asia, Europe, or N/S America majority?
  
• Those 'potential' Siel players who want to transfer to Lumiel. Server change or not, transfer are currently discounted, yet there is no rapid shift in transfer to Lumiel.
• Weighing the latency factors if server moves to EU:
  Now - NA (sub-100), EU (100-200), Asia (200-300), SA (100-300?)
  After - NA (100-200), EU (sub 100), Asia (300-600), SA (100-300?)
• Stigma system variation. Siel (NA) would remain to be a All stigma server, while Stigma system would only exist on Lumiel (EU)?

 

Pretty much, but I just can't agree with Lumiel to continue being a Stigma Server, who knows. Sometimes you gotta take a risk I guess.

 

Lumiel will keep the stigma system, there is nothing to discuss about that.

 

Now the votes are tiead by 50-50
we srsly need a vote undoer thingy cuz i accidentally voted for No >.>

 

The transfer problem you talked about can be easily solved by making transfers free for a few days BEFORE any change to lumiel's rewards/rates/etc.

What you both aren't considering is actual numbers.
There are 10-20 pinoys and 5-15 brs in lumiel at the moment. Take a look at other Eu pservers' playerbase or better yet - pservers with both regions. Losing 35-50, even 60 players is "acceptable" if another 200 join. Existing asian/S america players could also move to siel (and we'd have no loss at all).
If lumiel gets moved to eu AND gets the stigma system removed you'd lose ALL of the (small) population it currently has. If they wanted a lack of stigma sytem they'd be in Siel already. It would make more sense to make a 3rd no-stigma eu server instead of changing lumiel into one.

 

Which is EXACTLY the point. The actual players keeping Lumiel alive at this VERY moment is those from S.America/Asia. It has been repeatedly hypothesized/mentioned that an European would boost player base. However, can that be certain? I'm not denying the transition to EU would have a positive influence, just skeptical. I'm fine with it, long as the decision would have long-term positive effects.

It is not like European players are actually handicapped with the 100-200ms pings (to a USA server). If Gamez were to compete, it'll need to be UNIQUE to the existing servers within the Europe region. The other p.servers might have a high player base for their European server but they also hold the first movers advantage. Would these people leave that server to come to Gamez? Similarly would old veteran players return to Gamez from this transition? These factors have to be considered. Aion is not a new mmorpg, it cannot generate players out of the blue, at best it can appeal to those who have played the game before or is still currently playing.

 

It's not certain that those people will leave and it's not certain that new playrs will come. It IS certain, however, that nothing is gonna change if Lumiel doesn't move and that's the problem that has made this very thread exist to find a solution for it. Also you have to take into consideration that those people stayed when everyone else left. Surely they won't instantly leave once their ping increases by 100.

 

I don't know if the whole "racist" thing was directed to me yet again, but if it was then you guys need to open your eyes. The only time I actually mentioned something about pinoys is to say that they are 95% gamez's population and that, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE, they don't mind being a little more OP if the opportunity is presented. Quit creating racism where it doesn't exist. It's like coming up to me and calling me racist because I said "oh you're black, I didn't know".

On another note, I would see why Akikaze doesn't want Lumiel to be moved to EU, obviously he's in Australia and that wouldn't be good for him. Other than that, you guys have to realize that there are not many European servers out right now, I actually can only name two, one of which is unplayable for me cause everything is done in german, and the other has a completely different policy than gamez. People play EU private servers for a reason. It's been stated a thousand times. Gameforge sucks. That's why european servers are more populated that americans in some rival servers. That's what people lack. A populated, stigma, European server. And so far, the !aion one doesn't even let you craft your own things so there, here's a thing you are gonna give them that they actually want.

Now about, the "why would people leave their private servers and join Gamez if it was to become European". I was actually on !aion yesterday and had a conversation with someone, he asked me if I'm new to the server and I told him yeah I've been playing in gamez forever and he told me he was actually thinking of going there but he preferred it here for ping issues.

I'm not gonna die if you guys don't change the server back because obviously I'm currently on Siel and nothing will affect me, but if Lumiel moving to Europe actually works out and becomes a bit more populated, you will have one player more. Tbh I see more Europeans these days than I see Americans >.>

Moving the server to Europe is not a huge deal, if it works out it will work out, if it doesn't work out then nobody will be unhappy, but as stated, one thing is for sure, if it stays like that then nothing will change unless you start handing out free arbiter to Lumiel players or something and locking their accounts so they can't transfer them to Siel. If you don't want Siel to take all your players (even though I've seen that most of the good ones have already transferred) then you better do something fast, and by something I don't mean minor changes like increasing the XP rates.

 

Why don't the people in charge tell us what can be changed since it seems that when something is mentioned that NEEDS to be changed we are told it absolutely 100% cant / wont be done.
Only one thing is certain. There has to be change. You cannot say no to everything and expect some miracle to pull lumiel out of the hole its sunk into.
My personal opinion? If it moves to EU it needs to go non stigma....that is unless you are going to come up with something else to make it unique enough to compete with the other EU servers. (which would almost demand mimicking Notaion to some extent) sorry it had to be said.

 

I don't usually agree with the drama lover SM.
But yes, if nothing can´t be changed because it goes against policies and ideals that you admins have, then I have no idea what this thread is about honestly.
But for certain, if no changes is gonna be made, then better close Lumiel and forget about this. Hope and miracles are for the weak.