Toxic players "U mad bru ?"

We all know each game and servers has their share of trolls and toxic players, nothing can be done about it. But most of the time these players can be dealt with and will only become a simple nuisance to others and things work out as the community would work together against them.

At the start of the server, it seems some items were given for free to the first few new players. All this is fine, it is a private server and a beta, handing out a few items is alright as it helped make the community grow and the player stick with the server in the beginning. Now the community is big enough and there are enough players farming to have a decent in-game economy.
Some of these players did abuse a bug with crone stones to make their gear full PEN, it's a beta, it will be wiped, it doesn't really matter if they got PEN. But this is where we have a problem, most of these full PEN players are toxic and all they do is grief the others. There is no chance to fight them back, you could have 100 players against this one full PEN, without cc's working all they will be able to do is lower his FPS from spamming spell effects.

With the last version, world boss can now drop items, sadly only the last person hitting the boss will receive the items. Since most of the playerbase has pretty low gear it takes a while to get a world boss to low. And when it's about to die, you get one of these full PEN player come in, kill everyone and claim the loot, 30seconds time in and out.
This leaves the players that took almost 30min of fighting to get the boss to low HP a very bitter taste.
I understand that this is a PvP game, world boss are meant to be contested, but this isn't PvP this is griefing, there is no challenge in one-shotting everyone, they don't need the drops since they got full PEN already.
This type of player is not useful in a server in a state of beta testing, they are not farming monsters, they are not trying life skills, all they do is grief and gloat about it. What they do though is drive legit players away from the server.

A solution to this would be to take away the PEN enchant of these players and have them start back at +15. They did not farm for the resources to upgrade them anyway, no time wasted on their part. Some might quit due to that, but to be honest the server would be more healthy without them. This is only a handful of players we are talking here.
There would be no problem with them having full PEN gear if they were not griefing everyone else. So a suggestion would be to only degrade the players that are purposely griefing.
Protecting their farming area or fighting for farming area would be concidered normal PvP. I'm sure the GM and the community have enough common sense to make the difference between obvious grief and PvP.


I hope this message will be taken seriously as with the newly implemented world boss loot this has became a growing issue within the community. Nouver and Karanda are yet to come and we all know how this will end if things stays like they are now.
Let's make the server work before turning in on eachother, there will be enough time for that when the beta ends.




EDIT :
It seems this post stired some hate on the in-game chat.
Just to be clear, I am not asking for the degrade of every PEN players that may or may not used a bug. I am asking for some sort of punishement for the ones that are purposely griefing other players that are just trying to enjoy the game.
Right now being full red have no concequence for them, city guards do no damage dieing does not decrease item enchants.
With some kind of punishement maybe they will think twice next time before clearing a room full of low geared players from a world boss to greedly get an extra weapon box for their collection.

 

+1. Totally agree.

 

agree!

 

well. There is a very simple solution. Assuming that it can be implemented of course. If you know how to temper with the codes. You could DISABLE FORCED PVP. Such as those with the PvP crosses swords turned on CAN ONLY BATTLE WITH THOSE who also have turned on the crossed swords(they are UNABLE to attack those who do NOT have PvP turned on). Make it such that people cannot be dragged into battles they have no desire to get involved in. And the forced PvP could have a cooldown maybe if possible? If a person turns it on, it can only be turned off again after a certain period of time. Those who have NOT toggled the PvP on, can neither attack anyone nor be attacked.

 

you think using bug cron bug = 100% enchant success? it fail alot yoh. 1mil per cron ston, cant get money easilly on that time.. are you registered a few weeks ago? Patchi. coz ive been here since beta launch and we farm like hell to those boss armor and black stone's/memory frag's.. don't speak that we get out item very easily. so if we got PEN item's we earned by grinding alot,..

 

From what I've been told the crone bug was giving the ability to enchant with crones without losing those crones. I'm guessing the durability was still going down.

 

nice!

 

I understand what you are saying but this solution is somewhat unreal, we can't remove their gear. We are aware of those who abused the cron stones and as you already mentioned, everything will be wiped once the beta ends and the frustration regarding this topic is irrelevant. However, I'm working on a temporary solution to 'balance' the situation, just waiting for final confirmation (The solution shouldn't affect the geared players).

 

Thank you for the reply, I'm glad to hear that something was already being worked on.

 

Perfect, glad to see something is getting done. And before anyone jumps and starts saying again that we joined the server 3 days ago, just don't. I'm actually PEN and I grinded my ass off for it. Non-stop for a whole month and it took sweat and a lot of silver. So those toxic comments that "some of you" blew up the game chat with can keep it to yourselves. I f you have pen, just enjoy the game and don't grief or boast about on server chat about it, cuz the truth is you got your gear as a gift with PEN ogres and such. So let's not even being there.
Once the beta ends and the wipe happens, the PK as much as you want. For now keep it to yourselves, and let other enjoy the game and test away
Regards,
Physx

 

this is good..

 

Degrade PEN gear,.? wtf we farm month's and so on to PEN our gear, and cron ston bug doesn't mean 100% success in enchanting, we fail alot, every fail = 1mil silver per fail, we spend hundred mill to PEN our gear. and every 1mil silver that time is really hard to get, that's why GM Navi giveaway an 100mil gold ingot, because silver is really hard to farm.

Or.. Noyah, suggest make new channel with no force PVP

 

I am not sure if you understand my point of view, I am in no way asking for the degrade of all the PEN players. My suggestion might have been a bit too drastic as stated by Noyah.
All I wanted was some form of punishement for that handful of griefing players. Implementing forced PvP is risky on a server where gifted gear and bugs have allowed some players to gain a decent advantage on others. If those players were not purposely killing others to prevent them from gearing up, there would be no problem.

Also I don't want to sound like an ass but 1mil silver per PEN fail is pretty abysmal compared to any form of enchant degrading. Even with retail drop rates 1mil is really not that hard to get, and i doubt the server had worst rates then retail even at the start. You have to undderstand that for someone to get PEN right now it cost a little more then 1mil per attempt.
The amount of work those players have put inside their gear is not the topic of this thread and since I do not personally know someone that used this to gear up, I only have basic knowledge that I got from mouth to ear.
Me saying :

Might have been a little harsh and I would like to apologize to those players as this was not the reason for this topic at all.

 

o my gosh,still the same cry cry cryD plz move this tread to suggesions or CLOSE


GM plz

 

Everyone has the right to suggest on forums.
Just because you don't like the suggestion or whatever the OP said it doesn't mean the thread should be closed. On the other hand, if you have some ideas or suggestions on how to make things better, share with us. Who knows, maybe we will find some of your ideas beneficial to the server and its community.

 

ALL of the griefers/toxic players that you mention have NOT abused crono stone bug. Simply because they weren't active back then. All the players that did are actually peacefull players and you wont even know they are pen unless they go spamming general chat TrollWarlord . We got our items the same way you did/will. The difference that lets us grief and you take it in is the time put into the game and player skill. Making a thread about not having time to grind in a server with 10x drop rate is a silly excuse vs bullies. We only got gifted a pen ogre. I could farm myself a TRI ogre and nothing would change.

 

"The difference that lets us grief".... I'm baffled...

This is not about me, this is about having a healthy community for the server. I know a lot of players that came to this server to escape that elitist, toxic mentality and frustration of the official ones.
The server being in beta, a lot of things aren't working, from one week to the other drop rates will change, it's more about having played at the right time then how many hours put into the game at this point.
And come on, how can you talk about PvP and player skill when cc's, accuracy, evasion, add-on skills are not working and half the classes have broken skills.
If you really wanted to prove your worth and show your amazing skills (and I am not saying this sarcasticly, just refering to what you said) why not play on the official server where all these mechanics are currently working where you will find a lot more players up for that challenge or maybe just wait until the beta ends ?
To be honest I don't really consider one shotting low geared players or killing afk riders to have anything to do about player skill, but everyone has their own view I guess.

 

The game is built like that.We can go away but others will come 100%. idk if private servers are a safe heaven for casuals, they shouldn't be

 

Actually, it was not, red players normally would not be able to go into towns because of guards, could potentially get item degrades and crystals shattering from both PvP and PvE deaths.
But we both know that this cannot happen here because these mechanics aren't properly working on the server.