Hidden nerf: Hunting + New sniping spot

Alright. This is the loot report of my friend with the trick which I removed in this morning. He did it in event so Raw Profit would be 700m/h
Is it clearly ? or you need more something to motivate you believe in it ?

this

see it in the case you want to know how it is, lol

 

Again the issue is how much Mastery did he have? how did he farm probably with reload skip yes but still
i'd like to do some testing with both masteries over 1h or so first but still for me it doesnt add up he made 555M just with Hard+Sharps wich is the only thing you can expect to sell+Concentrated Black magic wich isnt showed here

 

he has 950 mastery if u want to know. Clearly you are new to hunting, I think so. do you want to join my Guild and ask him ? Lol

the amount of Shards which he hunted are x2 compared to your amount. Up to your skills, thats all I can say to you.

Obviously, You still do not reach over 950 mastery like him. Why can you say that I lied while you have low mastery compared to us. Lol.
Lets talk after you can get full over 900 mastery or Full Tri Manos Accessary + Tet Manos Armor. Good luck.

 

how did u get that background music I'm guessing you were using Spotify?

 

I recorded both music which was playing on youtube and game via Game Bar system.

 

oh ok sweet i really liked the song tho went really good with what u were doing

 

Alright so i had to sell a few things to afford that Tet manos sadly im not that rich but i managed to pull it off .

Here is two short session of 15Mins i made (it would have been preferable to do 1h of testing for each to make sure that rng wouldn't have too much of influence on the result but i didn't feel like wasting too much time on it in the current state of sniping).
I made arround 80M of profit in 15mins with both Gathering Clothes and Hunting Clothes (you'd probably making slightly bit more with hunting but again it's over a short period of time).

Surprisingly the fact that you have to headshot them two time wasn't much of an issues it's almost like if you were missing 1shot out of 2 before the patch it just can be a bit of a pain sometimes with the bugged Hitboxes or the many things that can go wrong .

We can say that it is technicly possible if i did 1h of Hunting that id get up to 320M with both Hunting/Gathering mastery.
I still don't know how to get up to 800M/H with 900 Hunting mastery like your friend did maybe he has insane ammount of Hunting and Gathering Mastery that you did not disclose.

If i compared my Current screenshot from the one i made before the patch (sadly there is not the full time+mastery that i had wich is slightly less than now in Gathering) i got a bit more than a fifth of what i did today.(since it was a full hour of sniping elk's you're obviously have moment when you slow down due to fatigue or some things going wrong so its normal that those number are a bit lower).
wich mean that the hunting bug didnt realy impact as much as i tought but like i said in this post its almost like if you were missing a shot on every elk.

I feel like i wasted a lot of time and 2bil for not much cause idk where those numbers you claimed came from but it obviously cant be possible with the amount of mastery you claimed.
1450 Gathering Mastery:https://i.imgur.com/XFCVK7o.png 900 Hunting Mastery:https://i.imgur.com/ewwmL0z.png

 

As i said. Gathering is not applied to Hunting. How the hell can you think that Gathering will work with Hunting ?
Let me explain. Higher Hunting mastery will increase chance to drop Shards with 901 mastery will be " 104% " if I remember right. It means from when Elks killed by Rifle > Loots are calculated with that chance
For example: That elk drops 1 Hard shards after being killed, you come to loot and regardless you have 1k4 gathering mastery, 10k or 20k gathering mastery, It will still be 1 Hard Shards. Your gathering mastery won't help you loot 1 more shard because Shards from Loot are certainly calculated from when Elk killed by Rifle while Gathering will only be applied from when you start to finish " Looting " on Normal Mobs.
Ok return the problem. Hunting and Hunting only will increase chance to drop Shards on Sensitive mobs such as Sensitive Elk or Lion. So why do you think gathering mastery will work with Hunting mastery while Gathering is applied to Normal Mobs such as Fenri at Navarn Area ( Fenry is only killed with normal weapon and loot from Butcher Mastery)
Let me explain further more. Butchering Mastery ( call BM ) will be applied to Normal Mobs. It means you will only be able to use BM on them when you kill them by Normal Weapon. Next, Rifle is only applied for Sensitive mobs in Hunting area. It means you can not use rifle to kill Normal Mobs and butcher them
In conclusion: You are wrong when you think Gathering will work with Hunting while Hunting with Rifle is clearly only applied in Hunting Area with Sensitive mobs like Sensitive elk and Lion.
Another example: If Both mastery work together. Gathering mastery also increase chance to drop Shards with 1k gathering mastery will be ~50% chance to drop Shards. If so, The chance to drop Shards will be 50% (from gathering) + 104% ( from hunting ) = 154% in total ???? It is so ridiculous.
I am sure that you are new to Hunting so maybe you do not understand how hunting works.
I will repeat again. Gathering and Hunting are different from way to kill Mobs to way to loot them
P/s: See details in Hunting explaination ( Yellow & Red words )
Before new patch. You could kill elk by 1 headshot + reload trick will be so OP.
Why ? If you use manual way. U only kill 2 - 4 elks within 1', however, you will be able to kill 6 - 8 elks within 1' with reload trick because My friend and I rarely miss with 1 shot = 1 kill. Quick Time Event is last 3s - 10s if you finish firing > this is so long for next targets while if u use reload trick > 3s = 1 elk up to your position instead of 10s = 1 elk with manual
How could my friend earn 800m/h in that picture is because he did it in Gathering Event in game on the weekend > Raw profit will be 650 - 700m/h. My picture with 495m/h is a example ( obviously Amounts of profit are also based on your luck when looting and amount of elks killed). I used reload trick to earn that amount in normal days and it will be more than in event days. Is it clear ?
Notice: We always use Amount from Loot Report to compare, not in your inventory. It means Profit from trash items are also calculated but it is not matter since Loot Report used to compare between ways to farm efficiently

 

I guess we are finally arriving at a good ending on this .
From what i've showed we can see that i was getting the same amount of item for two different mastery levels. (1100 Butchering and 900 hunt or 600 hunting and 1450 butchering) Gathering Mastery:https://i.imgur.com/XFCVK7o.png Hunting Mastery:https://i.imgur.com/ewwmL0z.png
This mean we can prove only ONE of two theories:

1.Gathering mastery realy works but require higher amount than Hunting for sniping and sniping can use both Butchering and Hunting Mastery.

2.between 600 Hunting Mastery and 900 Hunting Mastery the increase is drop rate is so unnoticeable that it could trick us to believe that it's either capped or that the Gathering Mastery works meaning that you lied about numbers somewhere.

In any case you either didn't spent the time testing or you're just not giving us the full truth.
Feel free to choose either one of the two i'm not gonna waste any time on that i've done enough already.

edit: you're the one who used artificialy inflated numbers (things you can't sell+event items) due to event and probably heavy rng to claim you could do such an insane amount of money like its a guanrateed amount claiming that this deserved a nerf. I could claim the same if i dropped 2 deboraka in ash forest during and hour.

GL&HF

 

You are wrong again. Butchering mastery is different from hunting. Why do not reseach on website for more infor ?
1. No one use Gathering mastery in Hunting area
2. Did you search infor about how kinds of gathering affect to life skills ?
I will explain again 3 kinds of gathering
Lumbering: applied to Lumber tool with trees
Butchering: applied to " Normal Mobs ", not " Sensitive Mobs in Hunting Area"
Tanning: applied to " Normal Mobs " like Butchering
=> Both Butchering and Tanning will be applied when you kill Normal Mobs with normal weap ( do not say that you don't know what normal weaps are )

Hunting: it is a separate from Gathering group. Hunting is only applied to Hunting Area with Sensitive mobs like Sensitive Elk and Lion. Why ? Because if you want to use Gathering to loot Sensitive Mobs > You can't do it > Sensitive elks will go away if you are closer 50m from them > you can not kill them by Normal Weapons.
So what happens if you use Matchlock ( note that Matchlock counted like Rifle ) ? Matchlock is only used when you are about 50m from Senstivie Elk and it is hard to kill them with 3 headshots
=> Matchlock will be used in Lion Area because Rifle can't kill them by 1 headshot as well as Lion won't go away, we will kill you instead and trust me, Lion deal huge dmg to you, lol. Rifle is useless to Lion at least in currently
In conclusion. In the moment, Rifle is being used to kill Sensitive Elk and Matchlock for killing Lion as well as only Hunting mastery affect to chance to drop Shards.
Any other gathering kinds like Butchering won't be counted.
Why you only see that there is not a big difference between 600 & 900 hunting mastery ? Because you are new to hunting and the important thing. YOUR MASTERY IS SO LOW. LOL
600 mastery will be 65% chance
900 mastery will be 104% chance
You has 600 mastery. You only loot shards in 5 / 10 elks while we loot 7 - 8 / 10 elks
https://grumpygreen.cricket/hunting-mastery/
I hope you will talk again after you reach at least 900 mastery. I will only continue this topic once when you reach it. I won't reply anything more

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"QUOTES"Why you only see that there is not a big difference between 600 & 900 hunting mastery ? Because you are new to hunting and the important thing. YOUR MASTERY IS SO LOW. LOL
600 mastery will be 65% chance
900 mastery will be 104% chance
You has 600 mastery. You only loot shards in 5 / 10 elks while we loot 7 - 8 / 10 elks
https://grumpygreen.cricket/hunting-mastery/
I hope you will talk again after you reach at least 900 mastery. I will only continue this topic once when you reach it. I won't reply anything more"QUOTES"

1.I've reached said mastery and you're clearly not even taking the time to read or to look at the screenshot i previously posted TWICE up above.
2.You're basing yourself on belief and not testing.
3Shards? is it sharp and hard? 5 for 10 elks and your 8 for 10 elk? why can't we see 33% more loot in my screenshot when i had 600 Hunting Mastery compared to the one i had 900 Hunting Mastery?
4.Lions are suposed to be a sniper hunting spot not a matchlock one, same for bears.
5.Yes in theory you should only use Hunting for sniping but numbers does show you could use both.
6.You've shown that you have no intent of doing any testing and you're just gonna keep repeating yourself over and over again without trying to prove that i'm wrong with any kind of reasonable proof.

i'm done here cause you can't argue with somoene who lacks the will to even read an argument or click on a screenshot link.

 

I showed my loot report and it is not enough ?
Rifle is not for Lion. You dont know ? Or you never hunt lion ?
Bring Rifle and hunt Lion and you will know what happen to you. You want Lion chasing you and Hit and Run with hopeness that Lion won't atk you while you are in snip mode than using Matchlock to kill them quickly ? Do you even think that ? Lion deal huge dmg. It seems to be 1/3 HP in total. Do you hunt Lion ? Lion will chase you from distance of 80m+ once when you start to snip regardless using Desert Outfit to decrease Detecting and it will make you quit the snip mode when you get hit > You think it is a good idea to hunt Lion by Rifle ?
Do you know that you can not kill Lion with 1 headshot ? It will deal about 1/5 HP in total with Critical Shot. Remember that.
Last word. You do not understand how gathering and hunting work. Both are different. Until when you understand it ? You said both work together so Why i could earn higher profit than you while I has lower gathering mastery ? Why dont you ask yourself about why you only earn those amount of profit
1. U said u has 600 mastery
2. Do you think I can lied about numbera while I showed Loot report ?
3. Shards are included in Hard / Sharp. Chance is just RNG. But it will be more than once when you grind in hours. You do not understand ?
For example: in grinding. U got 260 AP while I got 261 AP. You grind in Manshaum Forest and earn 250m/h while I also earn 250m/h with 261 AP => you suppose that there is no differene between 260 & 261 ?. Now you grind at Star's end and you will know the difference.
=> Hunting is like that. 33% will make a diference once you hunt over 2h+ and your ability to kill Elk quickly
4. See above reply
5. I said The rifle is for Sensitivi Elk, Matchlock is for Lion because it will make best efficiency. Do you think everyone will hunt Sensitive Elk by matchlock ? See in game !!!
6. I have hunted in a long time and why I have to test again ? Clearly Hunting and Gathering are different. Members in my guild also confirm it while only you do not confirm. Remember that members in my Guild have played for a long long time and they understand how life skills work as well as they feel boring with Hunting so that they rarely hunt although they can earn best profit.
You wonder why less people hunt Sensitive Elk before New Patch even Huge profit from it > It is so boring if you repeat it. That is the reason
In additional. Hunting is for earning Shard for enhancing. We hunt because of enhancing,not profit from selling Shards. Why do we have to sell Shards while we can earn over billion silvers from Tapping Pen ?
P/s: Why dont you join my Guild and ask my friend who hunted 800m/h ? It is better than arguing in here, right ? I will not say anymore. If you want to evidences. Join my guild then ask him. That's all. Have a nice day

 

so now, is this an intended fix to the elk or is it a bug?

 

I am sure that it is nerf for everyone who am using Reload Trick. Instead of earning 500/h with over 900 master, now u only earn 350m/h. In my opinion, 200 - 250m/h ( I guess that because I have not hunted since new patch released ) will be profit with whoever using Manual Snip. Lol
Basically. If Dev wants to nerf Hunting => Just Lock Reload Trick but I think there have to be reason that they did it

 

there wasn't any mention of "fix" in the patchnote it's been said to be a bug except for our friend up there that believe its a holy nerf made by the gods to nerf something that's op.
basicly only time will tell.

 

There is actually one "fix" to the elk on the patch note-->"Fixed the issue where Sensitive Giant Elks in Balenos' Sniper Rifle Hunting Zone could be hunted at once regardless of their striking part."(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HzNN32NIYCZ4_QkcS-UXgu_39Ts2Y74y/edit)
That is why I think it maybe a bug because now, the elk cannot be "hunted at once" even we landed a head shot with the +10 sniper.
So do they mean "Fixed the issue where Sensitive Giant Elks could be hunted at once, regardless of their striking part"
or do they really mean "Fixed the issue where Sensitive Giant Elks could be hunted at once regardless of their striking part"
(sorry, not good at english)
I think they actually fix their wording because on the first day of the patch, it was like "fixing the hit box of the sensitive elk" rather then what it is written now.

 

According to that. I think there are 2 options
1. Before new patch. Elk could be killed by 1 headshot regardless position as long as u snip at " Head part " or 2 Shots at " Body Part "
=> It was " a bug " and now they fixed it normally. U have to use 2 Headshots or can not kill them. Even that, there are some parts which can reduce dmg of Headshot because sometimes I must use 3 headshots to kill them
For example: Headshot dmg at Neck will lower than Headshot dmg at Nose and I usually get angry when Elks still live with 1% HP in total. Actually they fixed all shooting positions on Elks.
2. Vice Versa. Now it is " a bug " which need to be fixed
In my opinion, I like number 1 because it will make everyone hard to kill them. Now there are so many elks on Hunting Area instead of empty Hunting Area in old patch. I can snip without borthering someone " KS " mine, Lol.

 

Fixed the issue where Sensitive Giant Elks in Balenos' Sniper Rifle Hunting Zone could be hunted at once regardless of their striking part.

yeah it means you could kill them instantly even if you shoot their ass, wich wasn't the case before i went on vacation.
hopefully we get some more insight on what it's meant to be.
it's not fun to have anyone in your legs when you hunt but it's even less when you have to kill the animal twice.
if we could got more info on that and the new sniping spot it would be great.