The GM's Judgement and Abilities

Hmmm where do I start.

First of all I made a thread before of how are gm's examined or tested that they deserve that position.

Do they?

An Am trainee: Bellalicious

I made a thread because I got scammed for my lack of patience and also for the lack of GM assistance In-Game. The Gm assistance in trading more than 1b kinah is not needed if the bug was fixed.
But he/she failed on judging the situation, he/she asked for a chat log but doesn't judge or read it too well that he/she replied with a post that seem to give thought that he/she is accusing me that I am just trying to swindle them just to get free stuff.

Secondly: Gm Kevster
I joined his event before, I do not remember when it was but I won against him but he reasoned that he had his assassin skills on cooldown. Just yesterday morning he created another mini-event to pvp with his Gladiator. The prize for each win was 100m. So it was my turn to battle with him and I won fairly then after I won he reasoned that and I quote:"Too much skills on cd". During the event when he was battling the other contestants. My battleping got disconnected and I was not able to see the end of the event. Later that day I received the mail bearing 50m only. And I replied to him why I received such an amount when the prize is 100m and I don't remember him telling us that 50m was a consolation prize? Now I logged in and he replied if I win. Did I win? I'm sure there are other contestants who remember that I did.


My point for making this thread is to reveal what I have seen so far for the wrong judgement and abilities of certain Gms( I am not generalizing) and I am not trying to flame or boast or show disrespect. What I want to know is how GMs are promoted and still have imperfections, yes they are just human but they have a title that they hold like a son or daughter looking up to their parents as a role model. This sounds old school but most people I think look up to GM in-game as their 'sandalan' in tagalog and in english: A shoulder to lean on.

 

+1 for this post.

 

Honestly, I'd be grateful we get the events first and foremost.

50m is still 50m you didnt have, irrelevant of how it was got.

 

Original Thread Starter Post:

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Firstly, as you said earlier, Bellalious is a TRAINEE. She's still in her learning phases, if you disagree with anything she does talk to her about, or a higher GM. They'll deal with it, she becomes better and what she does.

Secondly, I have no clue regarding the event that Kevster held, but. If in any case it was a 'Duel the GM' event and you won, simply open your log and PM him the log of your duel, he should notice your winning, and check in his own log to confirm. If all goes correctly, you should get your other half of your reward.

And lastly, wrong judgments can be done by everyone. All you can and should do when someone makes on is to talk to the person about it, to enhance said person's ability to make better ones, and to enhance said person's ability to GM as well. This is a private server, not retail, don't expect to get the best that can be offered, at all times.

The GMs try, some are good, some are still in training, some are the best, some are bad. Either you help them out, or you report them to the higher GMs/Admins.

 

She/he is a trainee, but she misjudged the situation 2 times. If you want try to read the thread. He/she erased her first mistaken post but still mistake the 2nd time. he/she misjudged the first time, second should be correct but he/she was mistaken again.

also kevster did it 2 times. First time I won to him he didnt send a mail to me. but I remember that i told autumn that i didnt receive anything from kevster so autumn send a mail to me but i dont remember much now about that. and now this is the second time that kevster failed me. I won to him fairly why does a GM have to qq about cd skills like an ordinary player. He is not an ordinary player he is a gm and if you say people are mistaken because they are human, i do not agree. that is a reason human made to escape such from critics.

 

So, basically. Because, she made a mistake twice she should be demoted? I don't know which mistakes your talking about, but nevertheless she made a mistake that she corrected before, she made it again. That's pretty non-logical, but okay. I have no clue what you're pointing out, so I will not defend her on that.

I still don't see why you have to create a thread like this. As I said in my previous post, you have to speak to her about it, to come to a solution, or you have to speak to a higher up. This topic is pointless, and only going to attract either

1. Trolls
2. Rage against the 2 GMs you brought forward.
3. unnecessary discussions, such as this one.

Do you know how many mails with rewards has to be sent, daily? They have an event log in the staff section, where they post their winners and losers, if the event was a tournament of 16 each side, than it would mean 32 players has to be sent a mail, there will be a chance that he'll miss a mail. You spoke to Autumn, you got your mail incl. your reward. Problem solved. What's the issue? Why do you have to bring it up again?

How was he QQing? Because, he told you his skills were under CD? I hardly find that QQing. That's more like a fact, if he just left another duel. Unless he was whining and raging like you are at this moment, then I don't see a problem.

Critics are welcome to every person, it's the way you bring it to someone is what makes someone escape it. If I was a mod at this very moment, I would simply have deleted your thread, as it is pointless and childish. You'd also receive a PM, to take it up to the GMs or to a higher up.

 

I am not understanding the nature of why you had to post this thread considering Bryne handle'd your problem and you got what you deserved back. I know you stated, that you aren't trying to flame or boast or be disrespectful, but in a sense you are. Your taking two GMs ( Myself being just being Trainee), and put them out for the whole world to see we made a mistake. Are your implying that we, as humans, cannot make mistakes??? I've read your posts in various other threads, in which you seem to think YOU can do way better then any of the other GMs. Step back please, there's a handful of us, GMs and a lot of you, the players. We can only manage so much and we cannot please everyone.

As Cropolite said "if you disagree with anything she does talk to her about, or a higher GM." My private message box is open to everyone. Use it and call me out that I made a mistake. Don't post a thread with two GM names in it expecting the outcome be in your favor ( which would be losing a GM and Trainee GM). Mistakes are bound to happen. Nobody is perfect.

REMEMBER: There is a time difference between all the GMs and All the players which makes getting on line sometimes an issue. We can not always beck n call when you snap your fingers and say " GM, I need a trade done." This is not the rich and famous.

Never RUSH a trade cause you feel it WORTH it.

Here is a guide that I made, to help with trade when a GM is not around. Bookmark it and Use it, Please. I made it so there wouldn't be any confusion on what info a person needs to give us, the GM, to receive lost Items/Kinah..

http://forum.gameznetwork.com/showthread.php?t=25206

 

well the gms are kinda useless right now cauz //gmlist isn't working and they are not too active on the forums..

 

ERr if you read my post I did talk to her and she still stood to her mistake the third time and asked me what do I really want, and it sounded like:"What do you want money? you greedy bastard."

Do I not have freedom to show what I see about a superior. So you are telling me I am a troll?

"trolls'- I don't know the history of trolling but as what you've posted. Trolls are people who show real things that are undesirable to hear for the gms failing here in the server?

If he reasoned that he had his skills on cd and gave me a complete prize and recognized I won against him> then it is a fact, but he didn't so it is called qqing for me.


Again, a mistake in protocol? What's the point of making an event with a prize if you fail to give that prize.
It's not about kinah> its about how superior they are that they tell things that they dont act on. It is the same as telling a lie. And liars go to hell.

It should be a principle for every living person to do the things that they say, and not give questionable reasons.

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you made a guide? really? i did screenshot yet you still asked the chat log from me. it wasnt enough for you that you asked what i want like you are telling me im a greedy bastard.

So people who look upon you as their superior must not see your mistakes? Don't you get the point? You are lying to people. You create an event, tell them that you will give out prizes but you really don't.

Me better than GMs? So that is what you think my posts are. Don't you see it as a challenge or even as a wake-up call to correct mistakes. You did say you can make mistakes right?

Either:
1. You really lack mates to help you
2. You are incompetent for the job you have taken. Why apply for it if you will give reasons for such.

and don't tell us you don't get a salary. coz you took this job. 'You' yourself not us.

 

That command does put a damper on the players knowing who's on for help. As soon as the person able to fix that, I'm sure a restart might be necessary, Not entirely though. It should start working again.

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Again, Your putting words in my mouth, that was never said. Step back, Please. You are again implying your better then everyone else cause you DON'T make mistakes.

Yup you did post screen shots. Those screenshots weren't sufficient enough to help us GMs make a full determination. Which is why I had you input the chat log as well.

Everyone has a freedom of speech, but its childish to post a thread pinpointing two mistakes, two GMs made. Confront us about it, or confront a Senior GM about it.

 

i know that but however the //gmlist command is so damn easy to make it takes 2 mins..but idk what the new dev nastus is doing i didn't see a update here since 9 september..that's a lot of time..
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I read nothing about confronting a GM. I can't even call you for help. Why would I want to confront you? You are so high and unreachable.

Close this thread. or delete it. I don't care im stepping back now,
either:you are threatening me for a user infraction or worst: an account ban.

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Like I said, why would I generalize?

 

We don't need to tell you every second of the day that it is OK to PM us on the forums.

 

I'm just human. I make mistakes too.

 

The GM list thing stops working at rare occasions when the server gets a lag spike or something, after restart it's usually back.

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Someone lock this crap, btw.

 

And Technically, You should be warned/infract for this post, as it does violate the rules. I'm not gonna do it cause well, its monday and its early still here and felt like being nice at the moment

 

Locking upon request.

Please take future problems to PMs with the person you're having a problem with, or one our superiors..

 

I just woke up so excuse me if I'm skipping noteworthy responses in this thread, just going to go ahead and respond to this.

Bella is still a trainee, I don't know why you're saying she shouldn't have been promoted when she hasn't. Still, that doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve a promotion, I personally think she does. I apologize that your trade didn't go as expected, and you didn't have GM assistance, but really once a trade goes through, unless you have very good evidence we can't really do anything about it if it goes wrong. Even our community manager, Alente, would tell you the same, and he didn't earn that position for being terrible. Its not anything against the players, we don't distrust you, but how are we to really know? We can't just give people items unless we know they had them, its no accusation that you're lying just a requirement for us.

About Kevster, I hope what you're saying is incorrect because it would be fairly annoying if he was doing stuff like that, but in any case your chat log should have "You win the duel against Kevster" recorded somewhere, and if you provide a decent chunk of the chat log along with that line I'm sure he could find it in his own and confirm what happened, then apologize for his mistake and send you the rest of your event money.

Sorry for your frustrations, but thats about all I can tell you, ultimately the decision to promote or demote people comes from the higher ups, specifically Karissa. Anyways, I wish you luck in the future and hopefully you won't have many more experiences with GMs that you consider bad.

edit: Closed while I'm typing x_x