Discussion of in game currency (kinah) issues and possible solutions

Well it's not a surprise to anyone that 3.7 launched with a bang.. and by bang i mean the figurative explosion caused by many game components breaking. It's debatable whether gamez has more bugs than yosemite sam's nightmares..but i digress..

Back in the days of 3.0.0.x (lumiel) I would see the broker full of in game items, primal spirit, godstones, remodels, potions, and other various crafted/looted items. Since gamez released their "full 3.7" (as stated on voting sites) patch, there seems to be a significant decline in items. This has reached a point where kinah is almost completely useless since it is (basically) given out for free in the amount of billions per person per restart. Many more transaction are now trades only compared to 3.0.

Worthless Kinah
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The natural solution to a gold influx is a gold sink. My suggestion is to Increase (drastically) the prices of the npc gold sinks.
Eg.
Scrolls/Teleporters: 10 million each
Lesser supplements (fabled): 100k each
.dye command: 500m per use
Broker Fee: 2% --> 10%
etc.

This could do many things:
1. Cause Everyone to *itch and moan and complain
2. help reduce people selling 1 potion for 1b on the broker since the fee now will be 100m?
3. TEMPORARILY inflate the value of ingame items but more importantly is that items will once again be sold for kinah.
4. People might do more pvE (instances/crafting) to get kinah. Increased supply = decreased inflation = lower prices.
5. People might spend toll on vip accounts in order to trade instance gear and such for kinah?
6. People might vote more and donate more in order to maintain having vip accounts.?
7. More credits in game = more people with pvp gear = more pvp?

Quest kinah, server kinah droprate should not be decreased because new players are reliant on that to get started.

 

u do realize that ur suggestion is amazingly contradicting itself right? on one hand you say you should increase prices of everything, on the other you say that droprates of kinah and their quest rewards should not be decreased in order to allow lowbies to afford stuff. well increasing prices is the same as decreasing the rates in a sense that they cant afford anything

the point is that kinah cant buy good gear and its value always goes down over time (always will, it is free to get afterall). that is why people stick to barter (goods for goods) as those retain their value (armors for stats, skins for looks) and are much harder to get (kinah is everywhere really)

people will always be greedy, apparently that is human nature. if you look at people in real life, only when they get to the point they have billions do they realize it doesnt really make a difference and some actually give a part away. as for gamez, before the kinah cap items were priced in trillions and the broker was dead (since you cant sell items for over 1 bill). as more kinah comes, prices keep rising, lowbies still cant afford anything.

with a kinah cap people stop wanting more kinah when they hit the limit. you would see an empty broker since they cant hold more or you see everything priced at 1 bill (as i understood from some comments there is a bug where people get the money they price items at during every restart without anyone buying it)

rather than crazy high kinah rates handled by crazy high npc prices i would just go back to how the game should have been. if kinah really is so obsolete, why not just drop the rates to something close to retail (2x or 3x, something small) to give it value again. retail economy works because kinah is actually drained by npcs while here it is not (seriously people hold 10 bill and use up a million at most on buying npc stuff)

edit: if there is a broker/restart exploit it should be fixed, followed by a kinah wipe and lower rates. that is the only way you will actually get anywhere

edit2: really look at the rates. if retail economy works with 1x rates, where should all the kinah go with 100x, 150x and 200x rates here? obviously it piles up at a ridiculous rate

 

They should remember that the kinah situation in SIEL is stable. We worked hard for the kinah that we have and it is actually the first time that with 1 billion you can buy some pretty useful items EVEN ABG! So they better not touch anything in Siel.


And for you guys in lumiel,i guess a kinah wipe is in order. Good luck!


I dont think your suggestions wouldnt be viable. You see, siel and lumiel are somehow connected with the character transfer system (which is disabled at the moment) and we cannot have players from lumiel moving to siel and destroying the economy because with every transfer they bring billions of kinah. Until they fix the kinah issue and wipe lumiel's kinah im guessing there wont be any character transfer services available.

 

i know theres a char kinah cap, but is there one for the warehouse? curious if people can pile up cash there.

didnt know siel is stable xd i dont play anymore. though curious for how long since yea far more kinah is constantly brought in without actually being spent. if npcs dont drain it, people eventually start charging more

 

Kinah is getting drained, supplements are expensive, even the lesser ones cost like 30m now while the new manastones require like 7k supplements for 1 part of HAC. Wh has 10b kinah cap.

 

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Lol Kinah wipe or not sorry bro but here in lumiel Kinah will forever be useless. Only use for Kinah is to buy kisks arrows poisions and power shards and ofc teleporting other than that no use lol won't be able to buy anything of worth in lumiel with Kinah if that's what u was aiming toget done

 

How about supplements? In siel they are pricy and it gives value to kinah.

 

ah thats good, didnt know bout the price boost. yea thats 1 way to get cash draining one more time. though last i remember supplements were so useless they werent even worth buying. ms r free from socks and the boost was minimal anyway. retail calculations show 11% better success rates only
Supplements | Game Guide | Aion Online

thats why i suggested lowering kinah rates. if buying from npcs takes a larger proportion of what u own, kinah will become more valuable. at the same time, traders would have to post for cheaper prices otherwise nobody would buy their stuff and there goes a working economy again

 

In siel pretty much you need to sell something like 6 slot masta weapon or abg accessories or rare remodel if you want 1b from the broker. Some people sell some lame items for 1b but believe me nobody's really buying those. I have been forced to sell some "rare-ish" remodels in order to gain kinah. Id agree if they could increase the prices for arrows/scrolls/res stones/kisks. Though the prices for conditioning/supplements are already pretty high so it should stay that way.

Nowadays there arent many ppl who have over 5b kinah in their whole account. I think its the first time that kinah is actually valuable in Siel, that's good.

 

We have our methods around that even though I don't use supplements anyways I'm really "lucky" so to us that still gives Kinah no value

 

*cough*exploit*cough*

theres one on retail but only works with low ping. legion mates told me how it works, they gave up on supplements altogether now since they were useless anyway and they use that method instead

id boost the price of kisks since lowbies dont need them and if highlvls wanna have them they should pay for it. its not a must but if u wanna have an easy life itll cost ya. i would not boost class specific things like arrows since its biased towards a class and doesnt drain everyone equally

 

Hope you don't mind i added numbers to ease the answering.
1. It is a little contradictory, but i don't think it impacts the overall goal of reducing kinah because most people have about 50-250m kinah from quests while levelling 1-60. After 60 they do quests that give items instead of big kinah payouts. If you reduce this rate, players will get to 60 without even enough kinah to use teleporters (the high priced ones i suggested)

2. There is lots of good gear (like miragent) that can be bought for kinah. In fact before 3.7 even primal was bought and sold for kinah with rarer pieces (tops/legs/helms/vasharti) going for 1b and lesser items, rebel, gloves, boots going as low as 50m. I think we can get there again.

3. /agree. This is partly why we have to leave quest kinah for lowbies as is... so they can afford basic items. While at the same time increasing prices to reduce the kinah held by the wealthy.

4. yes this is exactly the problem that prompted my creating this thread.

5. the kinah multiplier rate affects quests only(?) and not global mobs drops. Farming sarpan will still yeild only 300 kinah or something very low and not even from every mob. The only kinah you get from high level areas is from npc'ing the gear that drops. If people are holding 1b, and spending 1m, then raising prices should raise their spending.