80 (100 for premium) loyalty points every 30 mins/reduce loyalty shop scrolls cost

So, I saw Urugon's shoes having 185 preorders today in NA's marketplace (https://prnt.sc/1qelhw8) and thought: is this okay for newbie players? (This problem affects Griffon's Helmet to a lesser extent but it doesn't affect Leebur Gloves because... Maybe there are more PvE players than PvP?) Now let's take a look at NA's retail marketplace (https://prnt.sc/1qelj3y), 42 base urugons... How?! Their scrolls cost twice the loyalty points in the loyalty shop.

I know Urugon's Shoes is a niche PvE gear for damage reduction builds (apart from Blackstar Shoes) and some would say "just buy it PEN on the market". But what if I want to enhance it myself and not spend 5b for just 1 piece of gear while others cost like 2b at highest? Hell, I'm pretty sure most of those preorders are from people who just want one Urugon to PEN it and get "easy money" without risking a broken accesory.

Now, the only ways to get this armor piece apart from the market are 3: Weekly quest from the Black Spirit if you finished main story quest Kamsylvia 2, Patrigio and scrolls from the loyalty shop. Weekly scrolls take way too much time, Patrigio is kind of unreliable and you need a high enough energy pool. So I thought, why not encourage people to do scrolls together by giving them loyalty points for free?
All the rest of the gear is easier to get and now even more with season being a thing, but they don't give you Griffon's Helmet, Urugon's Shoes or Leebur's Gloves.
But in Urugon's Shoes case, should it be this hard to get? I get the "BDO is not a sprint, it's a marathon" thing but in my opinion, this seems like a problem for the game, a problem that apparently and surprisingly, they don't have on retail, and encouraging teamplay should always be welcomed, and since I don't think there is anything in loyalty shop to be exploitable I can't see giving free loyalty points more often being a problem.

The other option would be to lower the scrolls price from loyalty shop to 100 or 50, that way you can do them once or twice a day. But I'm pretty sure this is harder to code because you would need to change the prices every patch and it may or may not encourage team play as much.

Now I want to hear the community. What do you all think about this? Do you agree? Or do you think 185 preorders on base Urugon's Shoes are okay?

 

IMO those offers/demands on Market can't be compared to retail because of many reasons, like player base, enhancement events/chances, drop rate and such. The main reason why we see so many POs on base items is due to the amount of enhancement resources we gather, so GBD players learned to profit with enhancement because it's much easier to enhance on GBD than it's on retail. It's not surprising to see a lot of POs in base items during the enhancement weekend.
On top of that, let's not forget that Urugon/Griffon/Leebur were added later in the game to fullfil different needs when it comes to build a character and that the first and main "boss set" does not include those for many reasons. See that PA always offers Muskan/Giath/Bheg when it comes to giving free boss items in events.

 

Okay, I see your point that people learned to profit from enhancing thus Urugon having multiple preorders because offer/demand, hell, I do that myself sometimes when I'm not enhancing accesories, but still, don't you see a problem? Or like, something that needs to be adjusted to make it a bit more fair for new players? Cause getting Urugon's Shoes here shouldn't be this hard in my opinion, every way of getting them is just too unreliable;
Market? Very RNG based/capped because many preorders
Patrigio? Very RNG based and you need A LOT of energy and A LOT of alts
Scrolls? Very RNG based and you get only 1 per week

Don't you think we could get an adjustment here by getting more loyalty points while also making the game more team based instead of being Solo Desert Online?
Or I don't know, maybe it's just me who thinks this is a problem?

 

I understand your frustration, but that's just how game was designed. It's a valid suggestion, although loyalty every 30min is kinda overpower.

 

Yes, the game was designed to be a certain way, but in here things are different thanks to some factors that we already discussed and maybe it needs a little tweaking here and there to be a better experience for everyone. And I can't think of anything better than party content, like doing scrolls together with guildmates or friends to, with luck, help them or yourself get the gear they or you wish for. That's the reason Special Deals exists in the first place and I think it's something that should be encouraged more.

80 per 30 min is 3840 loyalty in 24 hours->2,13 scrolls a day. (Assuming Urugon's Scroll that costs 1.800 loyalty)
If that's OP what about 40? 1920->1,06 scrolls a day.
Which should be the perfect number?

Tho, in retail they cost 3.600 currently since I don't know when https://prnt.sc/1qffetg (rest cost 1-2k https://prnt.sc/1qffft3) If we assume the price will be adjusted to 3.600 here as well next update, then 80 per 30 min will be 1,06 scrolls a day. (But the prices may not change, I don't know)

 

Almost 4k loyalties per day on top of a reduced price? I don't think that's okay and I'm saying from a player perspective.
When you say "increase loyalty points" you have to keep in mind its current form of acquisition, which is daily login. Changing this from 100 loyalties per day to 80 every 30 min (which end up being almost 4k loyalties/day) isn't a healthy change. I thought you would come up with something like 300~500 loyalties/day.
Also, I remember retail receiving an update on Loyalty Shop, they added/removed some things and I also believe that they changed some prices, so we might need to wait the next build update to see those changes.

 

Note: I wasn't asking for this AND a reduced price it was this OR reduced prices.

Yeah, 80 is too OP, but 40 may be okay (1920 a day) if the prices are still the same: It's just 1 Urugon's Scroll a day, so instead of making it a weekly boss, it'd be a daily one. And if you need any other thing from the Loyalty Shop you can afford it as well, like the almost mandatory must buy 5 free Valk's Cry for 500 loyalty points.
And if you still think this is OP hm... 20? (960 a day) You would need 2 days for 1 scroll.

300~500 a day would be,

If 300, 1 more Urugon's Scroll a week (2 scrolls a week is kind of underwhelming, counting the one from Black Spirit quest)
-> 300 is around 5 loyalty points every 30 mins (240 a day)

If 500 is around 2 more Urugon's Scrolls a week, (3 scrolls a week, also counting BS) I mean... It's better than what we have now.
-> 500 is around 10 loyalty points every 30 mins (480 a day)

Right now it's 100 a day, which is 1 scroll every 18 days, more than 2 weeks and half for just 1 scroll, very underwhelming (not counting BS because we passed the week time frame).
->100 is around 2 loyalty points every 30 mins (96 a day)

In my opinion, I'd like 20, it's 10 times more the loyalty we get at the moment which to me, it sounds perfect (1 scroll every 2 full days sounds fine), and not everyone leaves the pc on for 24 hours so I don't think the system should be centered around those 1 or 2 out of 10 players that do leave it on, most would leave it on 8-12 hours at most. And anyway, loyalty isn't very overpowered by itself, there is nothing that has that much value on the loyalty shop.

And yeah, if they changed values or items in the loyalty shop on next update this suggestion should have to wait a bit I guess...