Discussion about dev issues

um, u cant make him realize anything if he doesnt read his own forums. i mean every serious private server owner would want to know how his server is doing and what needs to be done to keep it going lol

 

Autumn the reason this thread is going the way you think it is, is because the other thread got closed for no reason, that already had substance, there was no flaming in the other thread (well apart from me being called a smartass by someone who likes to throw money at a server that has no devs)

The reason we have no Devs is that no one wants to work for nothing. and no one in there right mind wants to work for someone who takes but doesnt give, there seems to be no pride in gamezaion any more. you just have to check servers like Aionatomix and see how they already have a lot of stuff working, where as gamez doesnt. only problem with Atomix is its going retail like and thats not what i want from aion as a game.

But shit, even atomix got no fly working correctly in the FIRST day (i know i was playing it when they implemented it) hell they even have the ring system working, and capture points in the abyss, and there rifts work how they are supposed too

Gamez needs its pride back. tbh i think there should be a boycot of donations, its the only way Carl is going to get off his butt and do something. only when it starts hitting him in the pocket will he either close down and call it quits (which i doubt now he is used to getting donation cash) or he will actually realise that its time to change his attitude towards how he runs things around here.

 

exactly, not to mention the manner in which his devs are treated...its disgusting. How do you expect to keep them there if you tell them they can't code when you yourself do no coding, when you say that all their sleepless nights are pointless. they aren't tools as alente said, and its pathetic how the staff treats them as such.

 

This is exactly what threads like this do to the community when posted on the forums. Right, there are no devs, but there is no point in these threads that specifically point out flaws in the server; they could be addressed through private messages. Threads like these taints the server in a way that people sensationalize things, such as the server is going to end or closing or it's not good or there's too much drama. And that would lead to people quitting.

If I were a smart GM, I'd close these threads since they really don't lead to any solutions at all. If you want to petition/protest, do them in your own accord, not rallying people openly through the forums. Opinion? You know well what kind of opinionated responses you'd get since there is no good solution that could be found in this thread; it'll just result in more supporters to flame Carl for not having a dev.

 

they dont lead to any solutions because carl, the 1 person left who can do something doesnt read them. reason? he doesnt need to when he keeps getting money for nothing. and yes i do think boycotting donations would get him to start doing what he was supposed to all this time

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btw hate to break it to u but the "lets sit with our mouths shut and pray things get better" approach is a lot less likely to actually give u a solution

 

umm, we aren't asking carl to get devs. if he ever manages to, chances are they will leave anyways. Carl takes little to no interest in his community, and often times he is not involved in it at all. When alente and albull were threatening to leave with a bunch of the community, his reponse on msn was "I don't care." The thread is just a reminder to him that the only reason he's managed to retain it thus far is due to having people who work day and night for him. and now those people are gone. and now he needs to change his strategy. there is a goal, and trust me, it is not to trash carl

 

What are you on about? the server taints its self, you dont need us to do that, carl does a good job of it as well, people SHOULD be made aware before they donate there HARD ERNED cash.

Wouldn't you want to know the situation of a server your about to play? i know i sure as hell would and the best place for that is the forum.

Also, if i was a Smart GM, id be point carl to threads like this so he realises that the masses are unhappy and changes should be made.

Closing threads like this does nothing but promote outrage that they got closed in the first place. at least if they stay open all posts stay in one thread rather than having a load of closed threads about the same subject matter.

 

If you don't like it then you don't have to play his server. Boycotting? This is an online game private server. You either learn to deal with it or find something else to do with your life.

Also, if you know that he doesn't read these threads/posts, then why do you post here? Your only target audience is the general forum community which, I'm guessing, you hope to persuade to start another boycott or revolt or whatever you call it in order for change and that doesn't help the overall server at all. It makes it worst, and worst.

No, it only creates hysteria and unnecessary drama that people don't need.

 

FLAME why does everyone always have to do this lolz

 

yunis, you are essentially stressing the "Lets keep the masses ignorant so they remain in bliss reproach." As much as you think thats smart, remember that the majority of people that tried this in real life *cough* soviet union *Cough* collapsed on themselves. People learn one way or the other, and it is good that everyone knows exactly whats going on. we aren't forcing them to do anything, they deserve to know the truth though

 

online game private server is a business as any other when there is money involved, people pay him to keep the server going. in the 2 months ive been around it went from having devs and gms to having no devs and gms. the bugs and lagg have only been getting worse. i dont think thats what money is intended to do.

i post hoping that with so many threads around he perhaps might notice, but when u attempt to shut people up and hope a miracle happens ur not gona bring any of the issues to his attention. what DOESNT help the server as u say is an owner who sends away people who work for him for free to make the server better while he doesnt contribute to making it better.

BTW just a little note. there r possible devs reading these forums, he can get more if he changes his attitude

 

So exactly what is this strategy you are suggesting? You are complaining about the lack of dev work but you aren't asking him to hire devs?

I'm trying to get you to say in plain words what you want out of this thread and why you benefit from it. Try to choose your words without mentioning banned or retired members of this community.

 

Ryang, you don't even play this server so I have to ask what your purpose is to keep on posting on these forums. The only reason I could imagine is that you would want to keep pushing this server to collapse. Which is exactly what threads like this will do if they remain to be unmonitored, strictly, by GMs.

What people have to realize is that these threads and posts are extremely one-sided and meant to flame the server itself.

Use private messaging; it's there for a purpose. I'm sure that if a prospective dev was reading this, he wouldn't want to join.

 

I'm saying his METHOD and APPROACH to devs is terrible. He treats them like dirt, gives them no access, and does not give them the gratitude they deserve. It is why the many devs on this forum refuse to work for him. Past people are just examples, we can leave them out, but his treatment of people hasn't changed. what I want is for Carl to realize people are not tools for him to use, and certain people deserve respect for what they do. Only then will he be able to get an inhouse competent dev team

 

I know i dont have to play this server, its a choice, just like its a choice if i chose to talk about server issues on the forum to said server.

Just like its a choice for you too, and from your own words, if you dont like posts like this, dont read them, move on, you have already made up your mind as to what to expect in such a thread, why bother reading it or even trying to sturr shit up with in it.

Boycotting Donations is going to be the only way Carl realises something is wrong, if he doesnt read the forums, fair enough, but i guarantee he reads his bank statement and pay pal account.

No he doesnt read the posts, but potential players and donators do. also people with the means to get hold of Carl do as well, and all they have to do actually show a bit of guts and get hold of Carl about it.

Alot of this could of been avoided by Carl coming on the forums and talking to people, being open about problems and even (heaven forbid) asking for help and being genuine.

Hysteria? i think you need to stop being so paranoid, im yet to see anyone being hysterical about it yet.

Also dont assume that people dont need drama, who are you to say what people need and dont need, dont you think thats their choice?

 

And with that, I'm locking this. It's a flame thread. There is no benefit to the community that can be gained from this. You've made the point that you've parroted for the last month. Your posts are like the evening news. Only murder cases and bad weather. Nothing positive. And there is a positive way to present your argument. I suggest you change your method and approach.

Edixoid, if you still want to unlock this thread at this stage, please PM me the reason for doing so.

 

I'd like to think I'm a smart GM.

Reasons why I won't close this thread, or hardly any thread that doesn't absolutely deserve it for that matter:

ANY good community I've EVER played on only closed posts for being just a great big wall of flaming, and for that they had a flaming section. Some posts got deleted, for being way too off-topic or people just plain posting things they shouldn't, ie: porn, but overall not much got closed.
This is due to the fact that when threads are closed, it enrages the user. This causes unnecessary drama just as much as a post like this does. Posts like this, however, are meant to be seen by the server owners so they can take the feedback and see what they need to improve on. Whether or not it irritates the owner, I have seen time and time again that the owners actually do listen to these threads and make changes. This makes the community happy.

Closing the thread so theres no chance for discussion, basically shutting their mouths for them and telling them they don't have a right to talk about it is half of the initial problem. Gamez has always had a problem doing this, and when I was first hired to be a moderator I vowed not to be like the rest.

People hated Socks, to the point that he got banned for community complaints against him. Why? Because he closed threads ALL THE TIME that didn't need to be.

I will NOT allow threads to keep being closed when they don't deserve it.

Now, since the thread was closed after I said it shouldn't be while I was typing up this response, I'm not going to PM someone with my reasons as to why its being reopened because you can see them above. Gamez forum moderation has become out of hand and theres no reason threads need to be closed. Incase you didn't remember, when I came back to Gamez I had a 12~ page thread going with full walls of text criticizing me. I didn't close it. Why? Because theres no reason, players have a right to talk, and I signed up for this job knowing full well what I was getting myself into, and I can't blame the community for wanting to voice their concerns, even if I get frustrated/caught up in the process.

 

Its only one sided because you think it is, and if you think this thread is about bashing the server your very much mistaken, this thread is here to talk about the current situation, nothing ever got solved by keeping things behind closed doors or PM's only.

The way you want to censor everything negative about the server is kinda of scary to be perfectly honest. things like this need to be discussed. a GM should get hold of carl and point him towards this thread. he NEEDs to be made aware (even though i know what his response is going to be "I dont care")


Tbh the only thing stopping a dev joining this server is carls attitude, its got nothing to do with threads like this. at least a Dev joining the server will have an idea of the problems, and what to expect if he still wishes to join, rather than finding out the hard way after putting in hours of work for someone to be ungrateful.

If a dev knows what to expect its not so much as a let down when it happens. also he knows hes going to be much more appreciated by the community for working his ass off to improve things around here.

Guarantee the next dev to work for gamez is going to be treated like a god by the players. hell if a dev steps forward he may as well put his own donations page up, because i know id sure as hell donate if a dev started moving things a long here.

 

Just one question for you ryang why are you still posting here.
i though you where gone to another private server.

 

Take that via PM