Discussion about dev issues

just because I may be a member of another community does not mean I do not play here. It may surprise you to see how many peopl are on different communities, and which one of them are carrying a golden tag under their name. It is unfair to cast me out because of this. I still have a right to my opinion on thes matters, and believe it or not, they are extremely beneficial to the server itself.

 

I think there was enough drama in here. This discussion is pointless since it's a private server and the last word is the one of the owner. You don't buy a service here, you are got been offered it for free and asked to donation (-financial aid-) if you think that it deserves it.

By stopping people to donate won't solve anything. See this private server as a Bar: if the barman is good in his job and know to serve his customers in time then the customers will leave a tip. If he is not good in what his is doing, then the customers will simply pay for the drink and never come back

So here, all devs/GMs/Mods are not paid in cash but with the thanx that the owner and the community will tell them for their job. All they get is a 'thnx' not money nor donations so we should be thankful for their offer but also we should tell them when they are wrong or not doing their job right just to make them inprove in it.

Carl is running this server and it's like a second job for him, an extra income. It admit it has a big lack of communication ih here and it seems that it's fine for him so why do you get upset if the owner is neutral to all this discussion? I mean, play this game, try to enjoy urself as much you can and if you don't like something then you are free to leave this server and find another. No drama is needed here =)

So, if you would have played in retail you would know that they have learn the meaning of Customer Satisfaction just because they got paid and not working for free Here things are different, we are the ones who have to make this community better for ourselves with the help of all of you =]

 

Please show me where we are flaming, to be honest i think this has to be one of the more behaved threads going on here. censorship is not the answer, all it does it show that you are not willing to have a discussion on such matters.

Edixoid thank you for reopening it. i hate being treated like a child purly because somethings touch a nerve.

And if anyone wants to know what happens to a retail game when no one listens to the community, just google Star Wars galaxies and have a read. (and before someone points out the obvious, i know its a retail game, im just showing the comparisons between lack of communication and the out come)

 

Really I see no reason why some GMs pop in and close active threads. After good GMs have quit I see this happening alot and I don't like this because by doing this it will lead player to some visiting the forums and in the end beacuse of the lack of the communication with the Staff they will just quit this game.

GMs who do this ALOT, they all know who I refer to and the only ones who I respect here are Kevster, Edixoid & Autumn . These are the only ones who TRY to communicate with players of this server and just keep their mouth shut by closing the threads

 

But don't you find it a bit funny that all of the recent GMs that stepped down AND also the recent devs that left all had ryang post on their walls about the current news or "truth" about the server?

Remember zer0patches?

Is it such a coincidence that he has not logged starting from the day AFTER ryang posted on his wall talking about the "backstory" of Gamez?

Conversation: http://forum.gameznetwork.com/converse.php?u=2829&u2=8152
http://forum.gameznetwork.com/member.php?u=2829

Then boxx. left, though he was accused by ryang for being Ganji before he did

http://forum.gameznetwork.com/member.php?tab=visitor_messaging&u=7986#visitor_messaging

Then ryang recruiting Sareion, though he came back as an AM now

http://forum.gameznetwork.com/converse.php?u=8683&u2=8152&page=2

Vitiate leaving, with ryang on his wall again

http://forum.gameznetwork.com/member.php?u=7267

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Honestly, there has been many, many discussions about this already. Communication with staff doesn't need a thread. You can talk to them in-game and actually get to know them. Locking threads is a different story because it's so out in the open. There is no positive discussion here. I know all about the freedom of speech and having that ability, but there are times when it goes too far. When people that don't play here, deliberately come back and try to break apart the server.

 

what id like to see that will never happen, is a Q&A session with carl, where the community can openly discuss matters in a respectful and adult way, and then have things agreed with disagree with where the server should go from here. all players naturally agree that they want to continue playing. we all agree we need devs. we all agree that something must give in order for things to change.

I suppose all we are really doing though is clinging on to a false hope that carl will prove us all wrong and do something to benefit the server and players.

 

Then go away and stop complaining

 

/sigh

It does deserve to be closed. It deserved to be from the first post. Threads that accomplish nothing but flame someone never achieves change in habits. Everyone is already aware of the situation here and this thread does nothing but let people flame away without offering anything useful to work with. But my disagreement with Edixoid is a clash of mod styles and different experiences I suppose.

Carl needs to post more. I agree. For that matter I agree with most of the critique. But he is already aware of these complaints. He has to be as they've been circulating for months. But that's how it is. Carl isn't going to be active on these forums. He's obviously made that decision. Accept that and decide if it's important enough to you to still want to hang around.

To me, it doesn't matter. I'm here because the community is a decent size and not comprised of prepubescent teens, the pvp is decent, and the server actually works. I don't mind the crashes. Nothing presented here is going to change my mind. I'd have to be banned to leave as a result of the actions another person makes here. It's just a game. A fact that many of you forget all too often. And it's a playable game at that. Which is why you are all still here playing it despite your criticism of Carl.

So think about why you are still here. Take into account that Carl may never get another developer. He might be stuck grabbing updates from lightning or wherever from now until the server eventually closes like all private servers do. Odds are you all will still be here. Because in the end you don't care too much about updates. You all are still here because you made friends here. And despite all the QQ all over the forums about how this and that doesn't work and Carl sucks and whatever, you are still here because you still have fun here. Never forget that you all are here playing for free. Even if you donate, it is still a free service. Who is providing this free service? Carl. Despite that his administrative decisions can be iffy at times, he's still providing a source of free entertainment and hosting a decent community.

 

I think im gonna quit, this is just embarrassing now, its like there's no getting through to carl, doesnt matter how people try to but its just ridiculous. The way he runs the server its just self-profiting in every way, so since today I'll start looking for a new server to migrate to, somewhere where Admins/owners at least give a shit about the community that feeds their pockets, somewhere where the owners/admins aren't ruled by a "pretty" girl just because she decides to flash them. Carl just ignores every single criticism/suggestion/problem presented by his community and even his staff because those big spenders still keep pouring his pockets.

 

Sums everything up, thanks...

 

It must be a coincidence too that I came BACK to Gamez even though Ryang is on my msn and I talk to him daily.

 

But you did leave once. And when you came back, I remember there was some flame and confusion with that.

 

first off, boxx left due to issues he had with gamez. I didn't "accuse" him of being ganji, he was ganji. and anonymous is the one who posted proof (his ip) not me. I didn't recruit sareion, so stop with that BS, he told me he agreed with me...me and vit had friction, but after he left I said good for him, it had nothing to do with me causing him to leave. Zer0patches told me he was gonna leave, he didn't leave because I told him to. He left because he had no access, same with all the other devs, and the main topic of this thread.

Prestige if you think I'm somehow causing every single person to leave, you are crazy. And if knowing what happened behind the curtains causes people to leave, thats not my fault. You shouldn't hide the truth. Just because the truth is ugly does not make it alright for you to sweep it under the rug. Once people know the truth, they can make decisions by themselves. And its not my fault the truth is ugly, and its not my fault Carl has yet to change the way things work.

@Autumn, you have a point, but eventually people and their friends will go find servers running 2.0 and stuff. eventually enough servers with custom stuff will pop up and leech players. no one is trying to make you leave, no one is trying to make people quit. we just are trying to stop it before it gets to that point.

 

Take what you just said there and think: "Would I want to put duct tape over the mouth of my friends so they can't at least attempt or hope they can make things better? I know they aren't going to leave because of this post, I know I wouldn't, because these things just won't change how much I love Gamez regardless. But should they be allowed to talk? Or should I disallow it and make them feel betrayed by further confirming in their minds that the community is out to get them?"

Thats kindof how you can see my opinions on my mod style. Closing threads only confirms the hatred that people have, if anything its the more likely way to stir up flames and cause people to leave.

We're moderators and for that we can tell people to stop flaming (if they really are flaming and not just constructively criticizing something which is perfectly normal) or delete posts that are pretty much just flame posts. Theres nothing bad about cleaning up a post. Shutting off the discussion entirely is just going to make things worse.

 

Everyone already knows the truth. You want it stickied or something?

 

Is this a conversation between GMs or what?
Seriously, new GMs just shut the heck up and listen to the older ones who have been here for awhile and actually know what they're talking about

 

I disagree wholeheartedly, a sticky would be nice. that way I don't get PMs every day asking wtf happened >.<

 

The truth has been deleted, closed, hidden, reworded, whatever you even want to call it, so many times I've lost count. A lot of people don't fully know for those reasons.

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Actually I'll add to my last post by mentioning that my forum account was BANNED for a week for posting the truth, banned by someone who I had thought was a friend. Obviously that didn't cause any drama between us at all right?

Edit: scratch that, it was permanently banned, I had to get it unbanned by Carl.

 

Sure, let's have a sticky with all the chat logs and conversations with Karissa saying that the server was suppose to be closing, but oh, but she saved it from closing a month ago. Sticky it, make it a discussion, and never close it. Let's see where it goes from there.

Remember to put all the things Carl did, such as making Mandi a GM, Chlora/crystalaion, Alente, Karissa; let's make it grand.

 

I sense your sarcasism,
but i like everything you said, so yes,
sticky it please