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nude mode checkbox removed

Discussion in 'Questions' started by aaronmatthew, Apr 11, 2022.

  1. aaronmatthew

    aaronmatthew Banned

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    i'm sure people are tired of the nude mod subject getting brought up but i noticed that the checkbox for it got removed with this latest update not that it was ever implemented. now i want to know. will the mode still be added at some point or no?
     
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    Im interested about this too, any updated info?
     
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    @aaronmatthew just wondering if you have read the forum rules yet? Because if you had, you would have noticed, not to create multiple threads, about the same topic. I am pretty sure that there are a few threads about this, and it has been such an immense discussion, whether to make it possible for little children, to warp the computer game they are playing, into some form of porn.

    I am very much against it, and to those of you, who are mainstream about this, using the same excuses as always; "it is optional", I just have to tell you, that being a young boy or girl, and not already having access to porn, it isn't a matter of choice. Believe me, their curiosity Will get the better of them.

    If GamezBD adds the possibility, then they are in effect saying to the GamezBD community parents; "it is just fine with us, and it isn't our responsibility". However it is still a choice they are making, whether to add it or not.

    I would prefer a management, that knows about parenting, and how curious kids are. Choosing not to add this, mainly because it also makes outfits/costumes pretty much useless. With the Resorepless Mod, players are able to use a Lot of alterations, to the look of the characters, effectively rendering outfits and costumes a thing of the past.
     
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    aaronmatthew Banned

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    yes i know the form rules about duplicate posts, yes i did do multiple searches to find out more about this, and no i didn't find anything new about it other than what has already been said. if there's a post somewhere asking about the checkbox getting removed that i didn't see, then sorry about that. i'll try to look better next time.
     
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  5. Brady

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    @loboram Why do you insist on being such a troll?

    Rather than criticizing someone by saying there are already a bunch of threads on the check box being removed, why not share one or more of those threads?
    I myself have spend a good while looking through the forum, and as far as I have been able to find, this is the ONLY thread talking about the removal of the launcher check box.
    I would also like to know what happened to the upcoming feature.

    I used to play BDO on this server using resorepless to style the outfits they ways I wanted. (No I did not play with naked people, I removed a scarf or some feathers or a cloak or changed the fabric etc...) I had so much fun buying new outfits and tweaking them that became half of the game for me, I was so frustrated that they blocked it I stopped playing it for a long time. When I heard that support for it was going to be added again, I got excited about diving into the game again. So I have been waiting on standby for the mod to be allowed/added before I invest in the game again.

    Your arguments that its just a "Porn Mode" or "Defeats the point of a pearl store" are in-fact 100% the opposite in my case. I did not play with my people naked, and in fact in one case my wife had an outfit that she had me cover up even more for her. The mod also only effects the visuals for the person playing so, its about as incent as they come in the world of online gaming mods.

    I respect your desire to not want to alter the way the game looks on your screen, all I ask is that you respect the desire of others to want to tweak how things look on theirs.
     
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    The bloody carnage, gambling, swearing, use of alcohol etc its ok for kids. The game rated PEGI 16 for Frequent Strong Violence and Drugs. The Resorepless Mod working like charm in official server the reason to play there without my boats, dream horses and my pen equipment.
     
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    That is completely fair, I did however not mean, that you shouldn't have added it to an existing thread, that is Exactly what I meant. You should have added it to one of the many threads, that are still complaining about not having the Resorepless Mod available here on GamezBD. That way, it wouldn't be taking up yet another thread, nor starting up yet another round of discussion.
    What an amazing start :argh::bored: So..."Brady" tell me, after two posts on the GamezBD Forum, you are already completely certain, about all the people who are posting here? I mean you can immediately tell who's a troll, and who's helping out others, without knowing Anything about anyone? I am impressed (Sarcasm).

    You do however double down, including lying about my statements. "Tsk Tsk Brady", if you have some sort of well formulated reply, without starting to generalize (Ahem Ahem I think that I have done this as well but am trying to cut down), then you are most welcome to address me, and tell me why exactly you were offended, or hurt, or got angry about something I wrote. In this particular case, I wasn't even writing you personally. I was merely stating a simple forum rule, and then proceeding to explain, why in my opinion, it is not a good thing. Why on Earth you took it personally, I can only speculate.

    Lastly, playing an entire computer game, for only one tiny aspect of the game isn't advisable, nor should the whole community, have to bow down to a small handful of players, who aren't even "playing the game", don't you agree?

    Hehe Kailen, it seems to me, that you have forgotten what it is, to be a young child. Also seems quite obvious, that you do not have kids of your own. There is Zero way to verify the age of players, and even if you grow up with parents, who are constantly invading your private life, and doing Everything they can, to "shield" you from reality, there are many ways to get around that; ask the youngsters of these days :D
     
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    The youngsters of these days plays with sex mods in roblox and minecraft (rated pegi 7+).And 12+ plays fivem gtav . If go in sea with a child to swimming and play with sand is almost sure to see boobs and some other parts, in public!
    Anyway i dont see a reason to disagree for a mod that is against the rules from the start.
     
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    @Kailen hehe, it is a bit hard, when you are trying to argue in a language, that you don't know well. I know it can be frustrating, so I will try my best not to drag this on. However I completely fail to see your point, when you start listing other games, and then some weird reference, to being on the Beach.

    This however seems very straight forwards, as you say yourself: "...a mod that is against the rules..."
    Yeah, that is just one reason I disagree with "mainstream-logic", also that it lends to the possiblity, that costumes and outfits will no longer be used as much.
     
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    If you are so moral about the rules you play in official not in private server . . . The reference about Beach is for your complains about nudity. you think the childs dont see the BOOBS near them? in a game is the problem that is pegi 16?
    I come back only for the mod. Bye bye have a nice play here all and no hard feelings :)
     
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  11. Everence

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    WARNING: Long Post. If you don't want to read it, read the first paragraph, and the "TL:DR".

    Okay, this is going to be long slightly messy post, and I'm going to start this off by saying this: there is about 497 views to this topic at the time of me typing this. What I want to say to all of the people that are watching this is; my theory is that the Nude Mod will not ever become a thing. I've been watching this whole debacle go down for months now, and am deciding to finally speak up about how I feel about this situation. Kolka was seen agreeing with Loboram on a previous thread a year ago about why it would be bad for the addition of Resorpeless to be added to GameZ. Do your research on this and you can find it yourself. Also, many mods, as judgmental as they may be, have shown their disdain for the mod in those previous years. GameZ, while it is a private server, Kolka has also been seen talking to people regarding certain changes that would make it too easy and quick to reach end-game and people quitting because of it. Thus, we can also assume that GameZ is meant to PROFIT to keep the server alive, it is not a wild west-town private server that we know of from way back then in the aughties. (showing my age here some...yikes). There are probably many people eyeing the forum and threads like this hoping and crossing their fingers that this mod becomes available to this game, many of these nearly 500 people only willing to go back to the game once the Nude Mod is available and currently not even playing. Let me just tell you this: DO NOT COME HERE, THE MOD IS NOT COMING, IT IS NEVER COMING, AND IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO. GO BACK TO RETAIL. STAY THERE.

    My theory is that it was a joke to play on the more perverted/horny people of the community, and if it was, it was a good joke indeed. Obviously, this is a burner account. I did this to protect my identity because there are many judgmental people when it comes to this topic, and I don't want them outing me unlawfully for their own angry or misguided misunderstandings they may have of this post. But yes, I play the game, I've been here for a while. My reasoning for this long post is to inform people why it is not likely for the Nude Mod to ever release and why you should go look for your Nude Black Desert fix on Retail, but also debunk the claims as to why it would be more horrible than it would be to add it in. To start, this is probably one of THE most buggiest private servers I have EVER played on. It doesn't bother me, the point is that the dev team cannot spend precious time trying to uphold a simple nude mod with all of the crazy changes Black Desert goes through, not to mention they have their own coding within the game. Imagine trying to balance the Nude Mod with bug fixing....it's just not happening. I would rather them fix the bugs, because I actually play the game, and I don't even use it for a screenshot simulator either, Nude Mod or not. Let's clear some misconceptions now.

    - No, the Beauty Album will not be flooded with lewd naked women. The Mod worked here once upon of time and I didn't even know it did until I discovered this immense outcry of it not being compatible anymore.

    - No, lewd naked women won't show up on the forum. Same reason as above.

    - No, having women be Nude doesn't turn the game into "Porn". It will turn the INDIVIDUALS experience into "Porn", potentially depending on said individual. Please know the difference. While it can still even be seen as "Porn", it could also just be another part of immersion. I would use it for more immersion and self-role play, not "Porn" material.

    - No, having the Nude Mod won't stop people from buying outfits from the Webshop or using Pearls to buy outfits. People mainly want it for certain times for when their character is in their own house doing something, or even if they do want to get horny, or change some of the the many questionable and frustrating design choices on many of the outfits, which the latter is mainly the reason I'd have it alongside the other reasons I personally list in this post. I highly doubt they'd walk around naked outside in the towns, and even still, only they would see it. People like fashion, it's a big part of BDO. I for one, would still wear clothes, I spent a lot of money on Webshop items, maybe upwards to $100 a month on some. Why would I NOT wear what I BOUGHT with my hard earned money for some free mod? Do I like the stupid, scheme-like, preying "Limited Time Only" section? No, it's predatory and it should be removed absolutely. Even went as far to add reset for one dollar, are we Pearl Abyss all of a sudden? Let people buy what they want to buy, when they want to buy it. This "Limited" section isn't going to generate anymore money than if it WASN'T limited. I always hated this section. I'm going to wait until what I want is there, buy it, and move on. I will never reset for a dollar, EVER. You can be assured on that.

    - The people who don't want it in the game and say things like 'people just have to be horny" or "can't spend one minute on the internet without dealing with horny perverts", that's just a judgmental prudish mindset, and your point is completely mute, always, as well as the people that agree with you. We live in a time where sexuality is being expressed more than ever because of its history of it being massively oppressed and that's why you see and hear it EVERYWHERE. Porn is not a good method as an outlet for arousal, it will do more harm to you than good in the long road. These people never have a point and never will, there are some people who like more sexual things and others who don't, get over yourself. You're not better than anyone else because you're not "horny". It's completely fine and normal to accept and responsibly indulge in sexuality. Act like adults. Talk about a weird flex of ethics.

    - About children being exposed to it; this is by far the ONE and ONLY fair point I have seen regarding not implementing the mod. Bad parenting and early exposure to porn and sexuality is really hurting our ability to build meaningful relationships, and I am all for the Nude Mod not being supported if that's the case. If it is that much of a liability that many children would be exposed to nudity, then this is a fair reason not to implement the mod. However, I doubt many children are playing this game and are, instead, playing official Retail, where nudity can be exposed to thousands of players. And you have to learn about Black Desert first in order to learn about GameZ, so honestly, when it comes to the dodgy subject of children being exposed to nudity, it's really debatable. All it takes is for a child to download the Retail game, install the mod, and there you have it. No need to spend another single dollar on the game, and you have your "Porn" material right there. It's not a companies or creators job to parent a child that there parents should already be doing. Most of the time, this comes down to bad parenting. Instead of only minimizing exposure to bad things children shouldn't see, it's also a parents duty to TEACH THEM and have them LEARN about why certain things are bad and unhealthy, and shouldn't be engaged with, appropriately depending on their age of course. Children learn better from exploration and learning, that is exactly the reason why they would seek something out in the first place. Children are very curious, because its natural. Be that catalyst for their exploration and help them explore as they should, not shut them away from the world. And if anyone thought that I was advocating for children to be exposed to Nudity, get help. I reckon there are many more older people playing here on GameZ than literal pre-pubescent children. But still, this point is fair, and anyone that ignores it is....questionable to say the least.

    As for me personally, I actually came back here because I heard the Nude Mod was going to be added in. I started spending lots of money because I believed in the statements so much from Kolka and Jujuba. Lies, you had us there for a minute in the first half. I still love you two though. Why would I personally want it? Immersion and Role-Play reasons. I play the game more than just for the game itself, it's more of an experience for me, but I do not need this mod as a requirement, I'm fine with it not added in or not. So I won't say I personally am an advocate for it. I came back really strong, I probably spend about $25-$100 a month on the game on outfits in the Webshop. I spent money in the past before my knowledge of the Nude Mod in the game as well, evident by my statement about me not even knowing about it above. This mod wouldn't stop me from wanting the outfits, I want to see my characters clothed, I don't want to play as naked men and women fighting trolls and dragons. That'd be downright silly. It's more like, there is a time and a place for everything, and the mod would be a plus, but it's certainly not a necessity. But I won't cry about it that it's not coming here. Could it help me potentially stay for a longer time once I'm done with everything in the game? Yes. but I do love this game for my own personal reasons and for the game itself still.

    TL;DR: To all the many people eyeing this thread hoping the Nude Mod comes here, go away, it's not coming. Go back to Retail, and don't come back. It's not coming, it was never intended to come. If it does come, it'll be a miracle, but we all know miracles are few and far in-between, especially since the server is meant to profit and stay for a long time, which I obviously want. I will continue to support the server because I play the game for what it is as well as a personal reason I will not disclose here. If you are one of the people that still believe the mod is coming, then be quiet and just wait. Make a deadline for yourself, and if it's not met, quietly leave like a responsible adult.

    SUGGESTIONS TO MODS: Since the mod isn't likely coming due to the evidence I have mentioned, it might be safe to start putting a lid on these types of discussions, as they are fruitless. If the mod isn't coming, there is no use of an outcry for it that could cause more and more arguments between two sides that do not want to understand each other. Life right now is hard enough, and this certainty is not needed here. If my assumption of the mod NOT being added into the game is incorrect, then perhaps make it to where only Premium Members can have access to it. If that's impossible, then just can it all together if it's not planned to release. Of course, this is all suggestions, I won't be mad if I get clowned for this section of my post.

    Oh, and one last thing. Loboram, you do not need to constantly white-knight for the mod to not be in the game. Your advocation isn't going to sway anything any further. Kolka has already agreed with you a whole YEAR ago, you can put it to rest. It's better to let things die than fight it unnecessarily, because then you are unnecessarily adding fuel to a fire that was already dying. Please, let it go. I highly doubt it will be added, and I also have a suspicion that your reasoning extends to a prudish one rather than just only being about children, but that's just a suspicion, I won't assume. Do not insinuate that your logic is in anyway not "Mainstream", because in fact, I find your logic to be VERY mainstream. For the many times you post, the many arguments you get into, they all consist of what is typical of what someone that has "Mainstream-Logic" would sound like. People try not to come to this forum BECAUSE of you, That should surely make you evaluate that your being overly rude and mean, and coming off like you know more than you actually do. in any given topic. We are all human, and we are not one-hundred percent right ALL the time. Just because you do not KNOW you are rude and mean, does not mean said action isn't occurring. People do things all the time not knowing that they did something to upset them. I suggest you to try and become a better, understanding, and kind person on the forum, and try to treat people with more respect here, regardless of your stance on a given situation. As far as I see you now, you come off as mean and someone I wouldn't feel comfortable having a conversation with, and this is not adult-like, mature, respectful, or cordial. I say this with respect from what I have seen in your behavior on this forum. If you respond to me here, I may continue the conversation by privately messaging you.
     
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    Lol, I don't have to have posted 3000+ times to have read many conversations about this mod and seen that every single one has a post from you ripping people apart about it. In some circumstances, forum mods have stated that you have been issued warnings about how harshly you have attacked people. I have no interest in getting into some flamewar with you. But the fact that you responded to my post stating you were being trollish and not helpful with another trollish and unhelpful post only serves to prove my point.
     
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    @loboram Black Desert game is not for kids and you must be 18+ to play it, at least on User Agreement Rules.
    That's on the official one which by default applies to this server.
    Game has not been design for underage kids. There's alcohol, tobacco, sex, violence, etc.

    I just wanted to clarify. So, if you're an underage kid, you shouldn't be playing this game just as shouldn't access porn sites, etc.
     
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    https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Main/Index 16+ PEGI.info just if anyone was wondering.

    I was just about to go right back into it, fighting off the ignorance and prejudice once again...but then I read this "anonymous" forum user @Everence addition to this topic...and frankly this person has a clear and very good point. Unfortunately they do fall prey, to their own well crafted reply though, in this section:
    First of all, I know that some players just assume things, or are told things by others, and then just take that for granted, given very little evidence. However, "if you do your research" as you said yourself, you will find an overwhelming amount of replies and posts, where I am trying my very best, to be nice, kind and helpful. I am the first to admit, that I do sometimes "fly off the rails", but that has a very obvious reason behind it.

    Being rude and mean is completely subjective. While there are some areas, or specific topics, words, sentences, that most will agree on, as being mean or directly rude, there are by far many many more, where it is subjective to the reader. This is even before the reader starts "interpreting" the written message, as if they know in which spirit, or "tone of voice" it was delivered.

    Well before I started "my crusade" -to paraphrase your words- against bullying, rude, abusive, players and forum users, I was actually trying to create a place, free from all the bullox that fills mainstream-ideology of "how the internet works". It is of course impossible, but that didn't stop me from trying. I was indeed trying to stop that sort of behaviour, from running unchecked. What I did mostly back then, was to call out players, when they were being overly abusive and demeaning towards others.

    Before that, I was trying to get to know the game, and lend my help in whatever way I could, eventhough I had a lot to learn myself. Sure I have been advocating for some things, but it is very distorted, once it is repeated back at me, through someone elses eyes. I did not intend for players to NOT use the forum, nor have I ever been mainstream, since what you experience or consider mainstream, is certainly not what I mean when I talk about mainstream. I have in fact, since I am the only person able to know this as a fact, always been weird and "not like the others".

    I do find it strange, that you all have such a misconception of my attempts to be helpful, but I do understand how such a warped view could occur; simply ignore and pay no attention to the bulk of my posts/replies here, and Only focus on the most "harsh, mean, rude" ones instead. However if I had done that, I wouldn't have read the reply posted by Everence in it's entirety, nor would I have taken it to heart. I would merely have reacted poorly, and indeed been "mean" right back at them, for being "mean" to me.

    So it is fair what Everence said, in fact most of it sounds really well thought through, so I will try to leave this topic alone, and not propose such "mundane" reasons for why it shouldn't be implemented. I myself would Love a mod, or three, that allows me as a GamezBD player, to tweak the User-Interface, get rid of various annoying messages, or make small changes to the outfit/costumes as well. I forgot about the reply from the Developer, but they did change their minds, and then the promise of the Resorepless Mod was made.

    As much as I have "kicked and screamed" about this being a bad idea, I am actually coming around to the idea, ONLY due to the well crafted reply that "Everence" made. The only thing, as I pointed out, that I disagree with strongly, is how the person "came after me", and directly told me how my actions, were the reason many players don't use the forum. You see the problem isn't what I have done badly, but who, and what is being said about me, and more importantly about my intentions.
     
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    Okay, I will admit that I did not expect you to formally reply to me in such a respectful manner. I did come at you SOMEWHAT sideways, but I assure you it was of the best intention, Loboram. I didn't fall prey to anything, as I do not have any personal issues with you. It's just, a lot of things one can say, can be interpreted a certain way depending on how it is said. Such as: "if you do your research" as you said yourself", can be seen as you mocking me for being ironic that I did research on something, but couldn't research the fact that you help people in a kind way. So instead of arguing with you like a lot of other people do, I have integrity and honor, and have no problems admitting to my faults. So before I clear the misunderstandings you had regarding the section of my post that was dedicated to you, due to my poor wording, I will attempt to clear up so of the misconceptions.


    "Before that, I was trying to get to know the game, and lend my help in whatever way I could, eventhough I had a lot to learn myself. Sure I have been advocating for some things, but it is very distorted, once it is repeated back at me, through someone elses eyes. I did not intend for players to NOT use the forum, nor have I ever been mainstream, since what you experience or consider mainstream, is certainly not what I mean when I talk about mainstream. I have in fact, since I am the only person able to know this as a fact, always been weird and "not like the others". "

    I can accept your statement about you not being like others, but also know that there is levels to not being like others, and there are likely more people much more lonelier and outcasted than yourself, such as people who have never known love and is in their sixties, have families that don't love them, bullied, and is constantly misunderstood and outcast by their own societies such as hikikomori's. Perhaps, only your stance on this mod was mainstream, and your points about all other things isn't. I am not like other people either, so I feel this sentiment. But I will still stand on my feeling that your previous opinion on the mod was a bit on the mainstream side of what one would say and their maturity on the topic of nudity.

    "Being rude and mean is completely subjective."

    We will agree to disagree here. in my opinion, it is the job of the person communicating to communicate in a way that is inoffensive to their audience, just as much as the audience should try and understand the wording of the speaker. There are indeed objective standards of this, such as calling insults, unnecessarily mocking, and demeaning someone's intelligence.

    "I do find it strange, that you all have such a misconception of my attempts to be helpful, but I do understand how such a warped view could occur; simply ignore and pay no attention to the bulk of my posts/replies here, and Only focus on the most "harsh, mean, rude" ones instead. However if I had done that, I wouldn't have read the reply posted by Everence in it's entirety, nor would I have taken it to heart. I would merely have reacted poorly, and indeed been "mean" right back at them, for being "mean" to me."

    I agree with what you said here and everything you said surrounding the topic. However, realize that I have never stated that you ONLY do bad for the forum, I was simply attempting to get you to see what the bad you contribute here. I for one, have no warped views, I simply incorrectly worded what I said to you, which lead to your assumption of me having the same views as everyone else here. I sincerely apologize for that. I have done my research indeed as stated, I know how helpful you are to people here, I watch you help people all the time. However, a true person of altruism and integrity does not get offended at being a helper. They should know what this line of charity comes with. You will not always meet the nicest of people during your bouts of helping people, and it is a bit wolfish to always be ready to defend yourself in such a confrontational manner. When I help people, I stand my ground, but I do not fight and bicker back as it then defeats the point of me helping ,and then in turn, questions my true intentions.

    Do know I mean the best of intentions. I'm not your parent, and we are both likely grown adults. I will not act like I'm trying to parent you, I'm simply trying to give you advice on a flaw you may have, just as much as you pointed out a flaw I had in my confusing section regarding you, and I admitted to it like a responsible adult. Trust me Loboram, I have been in your position before of being an altruist helper and know the strain it can take on you, it can make you a bad person if you do not move carefully. I hope this post is much more clearer in wording and that you can understand this is only advice to help you from one human to another, as some mods have cracked down on you for bickering. If you still disagree with me, then I will not respond and you can just know I respect your disagreement in this situation and will read your next response to me, but will not respond back. Thank you for taking the time to understand my post about this topic, and I apologize for any disrespect you may have felt.
     
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    [​IMG] Yeah, I check back every few months to see if it's been implemented yet, I don't even care about the nudity portion itself, but the months Ive spent on editing other models of Each Class like turning the Feet Models from Nintendo 64 Blocks into actual Feet and adding things like nail polish to them, works with all Sandals in game too, alot of time and effort has gone into these things on my end so I just wait and pray that one day support for resorepless will be implemented, if that day ever comes then that's the day I will return to GameZ.
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    ^ same here.. it's rather disappointing that Noyah made a statement earlier that they would spend 2 days to implement the mod. Now it's been over 365 days and they still haven't managed to get it done. It would've been much better off saying that "we can't implement the mod" than saying "yeah we can, it will only take 2 days for us to do it" but then it takes a century for them to get it done, perhaps more.
     
  18. Noyah

    Noyah sɪᴍᴘʟᴇ ɪs ʙᴇsᴛ Forum Legend

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    First of all, I am not a bd staff anymore. Now, about what I supposedly said-- I would love to see the statement you are talking about but I doubt you will find the thread/post because such a thing has never been said, at least not by me.
     
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    It was Kolka who said that, not Noyah.

    Also, I spoke with Kolka.
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    Rip using custom models ever again :(
     
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    sorry my bad.. it was kolka...

    damn!! look at that "custom nude mod" instead of taking the shortcut, which is allowing resorepless.. they took it to another level to the point that they don't know how to implement the idea... LOL!!! it's quite a joke.. it's like "trust me.. I'm an engineer" then 5 minutes later "woops, that was not calculated".
     

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