Super suggestion!

yea i know....wasnt a reply with bad intention...but the real reason why lumiel is low populated is stigma system....AND maybe because it s second on server list....when i made my 1st char on gamez i had no ideea how servers are....selected 1st server and i m still on it

 

I could think of countless reasons why all of this is unrealistic.

1. Why would they reduce the cost for transfers when there are people willing to pay for it? Credits come free, they wanna have some way to drain them. If everybody just spends credits on gear, why would anybody wanna donate here if everybody else already has the best stuff. At the same time, high transfer price gets donators to buy gear on both servers rather than moving back and forth. If they made it free, then all the donators wouldnt pay double for their gear.
2. Higher rates VIP wouldn't work, the rates are already as high as they get, the game wasnt designed for much higher. It already takes 1 hour or so to get max lvl (even less with VIP) and drops are crazy high. Also, they don't wanna unbalance the game with crazy advantages. Permanent VIP is bs as people who donate monthly would stop + everybody would have permanent VIP eventually and never have to spend credits on it again.
3. Why would they reduce VIP cost when there are people actually donating for it every month. They have absolutely no incentive to do so. What do they get out of people who get free credits from voting getting the same benefits donators do? It would only discourage people from donating for it

You forget 1 major thing. They don't run a charity, they won't implement something that makes non-donators get stuff cheaper while making donators donate less because stuff is cheaper. It is economically illogical and in the end, they are here for profit maximization *cough* excuse me, "donations" maximization xd

 

I and all others from my Legion left because of bugs, lazy/no DEVs and terrible AMs, the population was okay till then.

The Server-transfer thing is a nice idea but they won't give a **** like they always do.

 

It is mostly because of the "lets see what happens" fixes, often times breaking more than they fix. Apparently most of the old instances no longer work xd

 

yeah...as i said a bit ago.... it s private server and deppend by donations that s the reason why server is up...for donations....not for our fun^^

 

ur point is just the earning to the server, talking about donation and dollars spet from super donators, if u look this from an ADM point ofc looks unrealistic, but the truth we are losing ppl everyday, gamez is now actually on the top of private server thanks to the multivoters.
the point here its not create a supposed balance to the server, coz players never will be satisfied and ADMs want to earn more money, the point here is boost the popùlarity on lumiel and the server. but as u wish, we can leave the server exactly as its today and w8 for the end of the server or do drastic changes.
want to admit or not, the popularity of the server its on the floor compared to before and its because of greedy ppl(players and adms).

 

just declare lumiel's gruesome, vile and disgusting death and send us all in trains to siel
Stigma macht frei

 

Noone is suggesting that gamez should be indefinitely run in the red. However, when making changes to a server, the first line of thinking should be to increase population, not about how it affects your profit margin. A successful model will always start with net losses to increase your foundation. This is automatically followed by net gains with minimal effort in the future. The fact is, as server population rises, the % of donators required to maintain that server decreases.

Yes there are people on lumiel that donate for vip each month. BUT, how many people donated for vip this month vs last month, or the month before. I would guess the trend is decreasing with the population and will continue to do so until we are left with a GamezTera type situation (ie. time to close).

Don't forget that non-donators provide two HUGE benefits to a server just due to the fact that they make up the bulk of the population.
1. In most mmo's i've played, donators make up only 5-25% of your population. Losing non-donators is like losing upto 75% of your pvpers, 75% of your pvErs, 75% of your crafters, 75% of your instance runners etc. Donators don't stick around once population drops below a certain threshold.
2. Non-donators provide more word of mouth advertising (also server votes). They bring their friends, and their friends' friends and bring life to all areas of a server from level 1 --> max. Some of the friends they bring will actually be donators as well.

Again i'm not suggesting that everything be free and easy as this leads to boredom and people leaving the server. There is a balancing act that needs to be constantly monitored and occasionally tweaked. Still SOMETHING needs to be done to get our numbers up.

Edit: looks like riddick just covered most if not everything i wanted to say

 

Just so you know, people have been talking about "the end of gamezaion" for over 2 years and last I checked it is still here. It has been at the top of the vote sites for the entire period as well.

Yea um lets break it step by step. First of all, it is not as much about the population as about the profitability. They wont voluntarily cut into their profit margin since well, they don't have to.

"A successful model will always start with net losses to increase your foundation."

They aren't starting, they have been around for over 3 years now, they have that foundation and more.

"I would guess the trend is decreasing with the population"

Yes, you would guess, that is about as much as you can do, we could all guess. They have the statistics, if it was truly so desperate they would be doing something about it by now.

"until we are left with a GamezTera type situation (ie. time to close)."

Gameztera closed because it was a retail like server with retail free. GamezAion is not retail like, it is for all players who don't wanna grindfest for lvls and gear and can enjoy the all stigma siel feature. It is the same reason why infinite aion shut down and the others have not, it was retail like.

"1. In most mmo's i've played, donators make up only 5-25% of your population. Losing non-donators is like losing upto 75% of your pvpers, 75% of your pvErs, 75% of your crafters, 75% of your instance runners etc. Donators don't stick around once population drops below a certain threshold."

Just where do you get these made up statistics really. Again, type /who in Gamez at any time. Either race on either server will have above the 104 players (max value that can be listed). Say what you like, you have none of the facts. The population is here

"2. Non-donators provide more word of mouth advertising (also server votes). They bring their friends, and their friends' friends and bring life to all areas of a server from level 1 --> max. Some of the friends they bring will actually be donators as well."

There is more than enough advertising for gamez, it is the biggest server and top of all the vote sites (and has been for years). Judging by the amount of people having issues getting the game to run on the forums, there are plenty of new people still joining.

"Still SOMETHING needs to be done to get our numbers up."

You don't even have those numbers, how can you discuss them xd

 

but my idol, are u active in-game at this moment? have u played on siel or lumiel ,whatever, at 10:00AM to 17:00PM hours PST? one case its talk in theories, based on coments from the forum, and another diff case is play the server and check the reality by urself. oh many things has happened since 2 years ago GamezMu closed, Crystalaion closed, gameztera open and suddenly closed,the popularity of Gamez has decreased a lot
this server cannot be supported by philipines forever, coz actually u can see mostly ppl here are philipines and play the game since 22:00PM PST, or the server its actually manteined for certain people?.

 

It's called a demographic? Where the population comes from is irrelevant, the fact that they aren't active 24/7 is irrelevant, the fact is that there are 100s of active players at some point of the day and that there are plenty of donators who still donate every month.

"this server cannot be supported by philipines forever, coz actually u can see mostly ppl here are philipines and play the game since 22:00PM PST, or the server its actually manteined for certain people?"

Says who? Sure it can, all you need is someone donating, doesn't matter who, doesn't matter where he/she is from. Yea this server is popular with pinoys, doesn't mean other people aren't allowed here. They can come if they wish.

To be honest the status of the server in terms of bugs and uptime are far more relevant than prices of VIP and server transfers

Edit: Little fact, retail also has a lot of pinoys and brazillians just like gamez, they just like the game

 

LOL? do they support server? how? dude....support mean donations.........maybe they are 2% donators but not more...is not a racism comment....is pure reality...

 

I am enjoying this thread XD

 

theories theories my friend, so from ur point doesnt care if the server has 150-300 ppl online at morning in PST coz at the night in PST will have 500 or more philipines playing around, they will donate, they will hold the server up, so what its going on w the ppl who cant adapt on that terms, talking about PST playtime, get bored or quit from gamez?
u can find brs playing at morning PST, well honestly u can find them at every hour, they are more adicted ppl from south america to any kind of game.
to my review, ur point is like --- ok we got this server, lets take the greatest revenue from this untill it´s gone --- there is no worry about players talking in general terms, is just balance the server to get benefits from it. yeah its a private server, but what can do a server w low amount of players¿? it will survive w some donators?
i agree when u said adms must recover the credits spent on votes, but actually they wont punish multivoters guys, honestly they hide that ppl.coz they hold the server on the top list of voters, so we have greedy ppl everywhere, we cannot find a agreement to satisfied all ppl here if one part wont gives things, call it like a sacrifice, if u want something u must offer something of the same value, HAC item= credits , lower acces prices= more active ppl.

let me repeat, my suggestion its not about reduce price of items in creds or make an earlie acces to get it, buy HAC with mithril medals like example, im just talking about boost the popularity of the server, the acces to benefits like premium-VIP and some suggestion to make lumiel more atractive, this not going to unbalance the market inside the game.

 

It is not about the % but the amount xd I know that at least in the past, there was a person here (really 1 dude) who donated over $1,000 per month by himself (not for the credits, he had more than he could ever spend). He alone is enough to pay for the server's upkeep. That is 1 donator, and trust me when I say he isn't the only person donating here xd

Back when carl's paypal account got frozen due to refunds long ago, we got to find out just how much he had on it. Lets just say it was more than the annual salary you are ever likely gonna earn xd And that is just paypal, there were others.

To be honest I am surprised people didn't quit already with all these daily repetitive zergs and not much to look forward to at endgame xd And meh, there are plenty of people at any time to find pvp and run instances.

"but actually they wont punish multivoters guys, honestly they hide that ppl"

I beg to differ, unlike most private servers they have quite a lot of protection against multivoters
1. If you multivote from the same PC, you get auto banned on both accounts thanks to the cookie check
2. If you start logging both accounts you multivoted and trade yourself stuff, you get banned
3. It is the only private server I have seen that forces you to fill out the annoying captcha, that by itself is a huge burden to multivoters
4 .The 1.5k VIP requirement slows them down a lot by draining away a huge chunk if they wanna trade anything from that account

"lower acces prices= more active ppl"

More non donating people while you send away the donators who pay for this server as they can no longer get their advantage in pvp by throwing money at the server

"buy HAC with mithril medals"

If you suggest that, you have not been around long enough. Anything stackable historically got duped and flooded the market with the gear it was used to buy.

And again, you keep talking about population declining while in fact you have absolutely no idea what the population was and what the population is, you don't have access to that statistic, you can't track every map and every instance people are in and you can't search for them when they set invisible.

 

support can mean donation, can mean active player in-game, can mean active voter, ive donated like 6 times only but i support the server playing and voting, do u think u can donate and not play will really help on this situation?

that confirms everything, now i dont have doubts. well anyways i have to quit from aion in some months, i just want to have a better experience playing untill my last day, if adms cares more about earn money they can do it, they has the right, but its sadly read things like that, when u dedicated 4 years to a server who doesnt care if its closed tomorrow or in 1 year more, cause actually got the enough benefits from it...

ohh? haahah let me tell u i know many guys including ppl from the staff who has made multivote to get items xD
its not hard at all use hotspot shield or a similar program to change ur I.P and vote in differents accounts, the problem w the staff, many of them think we dont have any idea of things like hacks, ddos, programs and etc, they protect friends and i can agree w that, honestly ive hided the name from ppl who made multivote and RMT as example, my idol ur ego is blinded u from certain things, or u wont admit it, actually there is no worry about players and u can see it on lumiel, rarely u can see staff members running around.
ur politic reminds me the same posture from diablo 3 staff months ago, atleast they found the light and start to make changes to save the game.

feel free to call me ignorant, i dont have acces to statistic from the server and im not part from the staff, im just an ordinary player who wont see the server dies soon.
about the HAC for medals ive never suggested that, i said "my suggestion its not about reduce price of items in creds or make an earlie acces to get it, buy HAC with mithril medals like example". its not my suggestion buy HAC items for medals, ok , its the normal way and earlie way or easy way to get it, but im not suggesting that.

 

About hotspotshield, the cookiecheck took care of that (at least in the past, not sure if they removed it, I haven't voted for as far as I can remember, ever since my macro guide got deleted and they introduced the required captcha bs that is bugged constantly). At the time, so many people got themselves banned. The point is you had no way of multivoting from a single PC, you would have to do it from multiple devices. I am not saying it is impossible and I know some people still do it, all I am saying is that unlike most servers, gamez is making it more difficult. As for DDoS tools, gamez has quite enough mitigation to negate any individual trying. You can manage several kbps, at most few mbps, they handled several gigs per sec attacks pretty well before. Their biggest attackers are actually massive botnets.

Allowing earlier access to HAC (aka ultimate armor) would make donators get it the easy way instead of paying for it. They won't do it. They usually enable the weaker alternatives once stronger armors are introduced. For example EAT was possible during the time of ABG, now ABG is possible at the time of HAC.

 

yeah i agree, release sets its a good idea to help players, but it will satisfied all the needs? let me create u a situation: im new, i came from lineage 2, i was playing that game for 5 years, so i experienced on NCsoft games, after look the server on the top list i decided join it, after register i joined to lumiel and start to create my char, a SM, time later , after read many guides and tips to get gears , i finally got the ABG complete gear Via medals, bought from npcs on gelkmaroz, so 1 week later i got bored and i want to test another class, after read some comments on forums about it, ppl recomended to me join siel coz its most active than lumiel, and i ll find more ppl to pvp and trade, afer check the website found the price of VIP+ Transfer will cost 3k creds, after check the earn credits by donations, and the amount of dollars to earn the enough credits can i have 3 reactions :
1- start to vote and w8 for enough credits after 1 month or more active vote. (easy and long way).
2- donate and earn the enough credits.
3- or


honestly many players are taking the 3rd way, reduce the numer of leavers its the work from a good staff i though.

 

The population on the server declines below 104 at a certain time of day which is normal. What isn't normal is that this time has gradually increased each day such that the population drops below 104 today earlier than it did 6 months ago.
There are less people doing TS now, than there was people doing AM/EF 6 months ago
Right now there are 4 people in tiamaranta and 6 people in sarpan. This number was MUCH higher a few months ago.
There are 11 templars online right now, this number was closer to 14-15 a few months ago at this time of day
There are 6 spiritmasters online right now at 6pm for me. 6 months ago, the minimum was 6 and that was at around 11pm-2am
6 months ago I would be attacked a few times a week by asmo's in ingi while pvE'ing. Now I get attacked maybe once or twice a month while pvE'ing.
6 months ago I would run into asmo's at terminon fortress everyday. Now I barely run into them once or twice a week..

It's a trend and i may not have screenshots and hardproof as you would want, but regardless it's noticeable to me in game.

 

What's your point? Retail is no different. You made a choice, deal with it. Wanna switch? Pay for it. Retail makes you pay for server transfers or gear transfers (actually per item basis). Here you can actually do it free just by voting without a need to donate. It is 30 days of voting to get both VIP and server transfer which isn't much, getting ABG will take time, you will have the credits by then. You should have done your research before starting.