That's how they play in FFA nowadays

tbh if you put it like that then its possible for glad to beat sm then? spirit sub on cool down, one hit knock down, knock down, knock down, knock down, knock down,dead?
if you have sin vs temp (with same gear/ping/skill etc) its not as impossible as glad vs sm but still very unlikely. as for gladiators you are right about sins able to beat them for gladiators are simply not as tanky as temps are.
as for you dimitra, first of all, i dont know your ping but i seriously doubt even with a 2-digit ping you can beat ANY serious player with sin. you could ask david or purell (i doubt they got really high ping) to beat reverence with a sin. not as easy as you would think it is. a little harder if you are not playing elyo sin.

 

gladiators are one of the more undesirable classes in 1v1s. so sin beating them is not really a hard thing to observe but i agree with you, sins can beat glads, never said i didnt.

 

Spirit masters don't need spirit sub to beat gladiator. Bind, fear, reduce attack speed, dispell, dots, etc. Don't argue for the sake of arguing, your points are invalid.
No idea what you are trying to prove, but it shows the level of intellect you have? I guess i am wasting my time trying to talk sense to senseless people like you, annoying.

 

You're very wrong if you think the only thing that can keep an SM alive against a glad is spirit sub lol.

 

i have never said that sms NEEDED spirit sub to beat glads. i only gave this example because you made one with the "stun stun stun dead" and i said "knock down knock down dead". that was really my point if you are missing it.
and i didnt want to argue about who's able to beat who in the first place, you are the one who was trying to prove it but what i really wanted was a "i didnt mean to include temps when i said 'plate classes' my bad".

 

did i ever say that? not really. even if thats how you interpreted it would have been "sm need spirit sub to stay alive if the glad is knocking them down with every hit" ty.

 

Here is your video.


Honestly i don't know how to play assassins, i just made it up minutes ago and spam those buffs + skills. And if you can see, stun stun stun stun, now try making a video of you using gladiator and beat a spiritmaster with knockdown knockdown knockdown knockdown knockdown please?

 

is the glad just standing there? if thats the case, ANY CLASS CAN BEAT ANY CLASS LIKE THAT. there wouldnt be an argument. but again thats beside my point, i just really hate it when i see people saying something they might have not meant to say in the first place and when somebody wants to correct them they just go right ahead with their point, like you did with the gladiators. its your choice at this point you can choose not to reply if you feel its irrelevant because i think its getting there.

 

Many gladiators have killed my spiritmaster especially when my remove shock is on cool down and I got no iron skin. It happens. Just because spiritmaster has spirit stub and fear it doesn't mean they can kill every class 100%. It really depends on their ping, gear and there combos same with their targets.

We're talking spirtimasters in general here, We are not talking about 1 pro spiritmaster. Truth be told there aren't many good SM's on this server apart from alexmax and a few others.

Yes assassins have a advantage over cloth classes due to their 3-5+ Magic resist skills but those skills don't 99% guarantee that the sin will beat the cloth class it just gives them a higher chance and makes it alot easier for them.

I have beated many sins on this server with my songweaver and my ping is usually around 280-350. I only have trouble beating those sins who use every Magic resist skill as it messes up my combos & those 2 digit ping sins I also have trouble beating due to their super fast combos >.<

 

A person only playing asmo and going against elyos assassins can't really talk about how easy it is to beat assassins when literally nobody in Elyos that plays assassin is even decent enough to talk about.

And talking about beating 2 digit assassins with a high pinged SW is just hilarious. It is impossible for a high pinged SW to beat a decent assassin with a two digit ping. Stop lying to yourselves.

 

Show me how you move in stun? Seriously, i am gonna stop replying to idiots like you.

 

I never said I beated a 2 digit sin. I actually dueled a 2 digit sin in pand and he beated me 10 to 1. So yes I have to agree with you it's almost impossible for a 3 digit sw to beat a 2 digit sin as I have tested it my self... It's a pain and the only way to win is by draining MP and even that is pretty hard to do and doesn't always work.

But when I vsed his gladiator I beated him alot... so yes sin definitely has an advantage over songweaver there is no denying that but then again I'm 300-400 ping. Ethan is 20-30 ping so I can't really speak for him and all other 2 digit songweavers out there. I am just speaking for my self here ^^

 

The whole point of this argument is that your friend can't accept the fact that killing cloth classes is what sins are supposed to do, even more now with the new extends. It's the way the game was built. Just like.. glads have a disadvantage against SWs or good chanters, assassins have an advantage against cloth classes. Bragging about being able to kill just that is just funny and he can't understand that beating cloths with a two digit pinged assassin is nothing to brag about.

 

Do you know any other assassin beside Orzzz and Elegie that can stand toe to toe against Reverence in 1v1? I'm sure there are a lot more assassins with 2 digit ping in Siel besides them but I don't know anyone else who can even come close to killing Reverence.

You're talking about Elyos assassin here. Orzzz and Elegie are both Asmodian assassins....

If you put it this way then even a gladiator would beat Spirit Master without Stone Skin and Remove Shock/Spirit Sub/Command Bodyguard on cooldown.

What you said here only goes for server with stigma system. In a server without stigma system like Siel where templars have 3 shield stances that doesn't share cooldown, you don't even need UD as templar to fight an assassin.

Again, please name an assassin that can even come close to killing Reverence in 1v1 besides Orzzz and Elegie. With or without godstone proc.

Am I the only one who understood that Elegie and Reverence were talking about assassin vs chanter? Or is chanter considered a cloth class now too?!

 

on top of what k said, elegie wasnt really bragging? he didnt say that "because he killed whoevers songweaver he therefore is soooo pro blahblahblah" he only said that he killed vi-something-boxes chant and sw and doesnt want to hear excuses (and that matter is for them to decide.)

 

first of all, one thing you can definitely do is REMOVE SHOCK, then maybe second wind or other buffs during it, if you didnt at least do that in your video then its not a duel, its slaughter.

i think anybody with a knowledge of this game knows who is right and who is not. calling people idiots doesnt necessarily prove anything, that along with every post you did, really proved nothing, other than: sin beats glad, which i never disagreed with.

 

Are you sure only elyos assassins have 3 skills to resist 5 magical skills? Doubt so.

What are the odds of all those skills in cool down at the same time when spiritmasters still have tons of skills other than those to use, and they don't get cool down all at once. Again, what are you trying to prove? It's common to see gladiators having cool down with their Unwavering Devotion skills, and if you silence them before they use that buff? Think before you speak.

Agree on that, but again they don't walk around with those skills activated all the time. Assassins can still surprise them in places like FFA. So what's your point? Again Think before you speak.

 

Oh. my . god

 

Alright find me an Asmodian assassin with Spelldodging.

Right back on you.

You're one who suggested that if a gladiator has cooldown, an assassin would beat it. If you don't understand that I was trying to make you realize that any class on heavy cooldown can be beaten by any class that's not on heavy cooldown like what piMike said then you're beyond help.

For the second time, right back on you.

My point is that you saying an assassin has a chance vs templar is plain stupidity. You said that if an assassin don't let the templar buff, assassin can win against templar. How dumb is this honestly? Do you really know what you're talking about? I said that in a server with no stigma system, a templar doesn't even need UD vs assassin because they have 3 shield stances that don't share cooldown. Assassin can only stop Stubborn Spirit with silence, templar still has 2 shield stances that can't be stop by asssassin because they don't have bind.

It's not surprising that you don't know these things since you don't even know that only Elyos assassins can resist 5 skills with their buffs because Asmodian assassins don't have Spelldodging.

For the third and last time, right back on you.

 

If you following the posts eariler i already mention i don't play assassins?

And regarding your so called "heavy cool down", Unwavering Devotion in cool down is a single skill? Any class can be beaten in "heavy cool down"? Really? Songweavers? And if you played spiritmaster before, their skills won't be in cool down like that way you mentioned, because there's a sequence of skills for you to use and the cool down will always be ready when you finished the cycle.

And please freaking read what i wrote, i said assassins can easily kill plate classes too, did i ever mention it's in 1v1 or duel or etc? It's a fact that they can DPS well without having to stack full accuracy. How dumb can one get, right back at you.

If you are arguing for the sake of some people, you know who i am refering to, then please shut up because i am not interested in that kinda of argument with animals.